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Posted on 1/21/19 at 7:10 pm to RB10
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His last full season LSU's offense averaged more points per game than LSU did in 2018.
And Miles still managed to lose 3 games in a row, finished the season nowhere near the top ten because his schedule was much weaker than Orgeron's in 2018.
Posted on 1/21/19 at 7:13 pm to TrueTigerTale
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And Miles still managed to lose 3 games in a row, finished the season nowhere near the top ten because his schedule was much weaker than Orgeron's in 2018.
This literally has nothing to do with your previous claim.
Posted on 1/21/19 at 7:13 pm to RB10
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His last full season LSU's offense averaged more points per game than LSU did in 2018.
It was the November meltdown that did him in.
Posted on 1/21/19 at 7:14 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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It was the November meltdown that did him in.
If 32.8 PPG and 3 losses is the game "passing you by" what is 32.4 PPG and 3 losses?
This post was edited on 1/21/19 at 7:16 pm
Posted on 1/21/19 at 7:18 pm to RB10
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If 32.8 PPG and 3 losses is the game "passing you by"
Probably because we had three NFL RBs and no passing game.
The offense averaged 16 points that month and lost three games in blowout fashion.
Then started the next year exactly the same way, yes... it had passed him by
Posted on 1/21/19 at 7:19 pm to RB10
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This literally has nothing to do with your previous claim.
If you're comparing the point totals, you have to also have to compare the level of competition and the arse whooping Miles was taking in his 3 losses compared to Orgeron's 2018 season.
This post was edited on 1/21/19 at 7:23 pm
Posted on 1/21/19 at 7:23 pm to TrueTigerTale
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If you're comparing the point totals, you have to also have to compare the level of competition and the arse whopping Miles was taking in his losses compared to Orgeron's 2018 season.
Ok let's do that.
2015 lost to 14-1 Alabama, 8-5 Arkansas & 10-3 Ole Miss. That's 32-9 combined. The average margin of defeat was 17.3 points.
2018 lost to 14-1 Alabama, 9-4 Texas A&M and 10-3 Florida. That's 33-8 combined. The average margin of defeat was 13 points.
Such a MASSIVE difference.
Posted on 1/21/19 at 7:26 pm to RB10
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Such a MASSIVE difference.
Enough to lose confidence. Lost 5 of 9
We moved on, you can live in the past all you want
Posted on 1/21/19 at 7:27 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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We moved on, you can live in the past all you want
I'll take this as "I don't really have any more spin moves to make Orgeron look better, so I'm changing the subject".
Posted on 1/21/19 at 7:28 pm to RB10
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Ok let's do that.
2015 lost to 14-1 Alabama, 8-5 Arkansas & 10-3 Ole Miss. That's 32-9 combined. The average margin of defeat was 17.3 points.
2018 lost to 14-1 Alabama, 9-4 Texas A&M and 10-3 Florida. That's 33-8 combined. The average margin of defeat was 13 points.
Such a MASSIVE difference.
well, to be fair, Miles in 2015 lost 3 straight games by 2+ scores. Orgeron lost two games this year by one score and was blown out in another. Coming up with an average margin of defeat is somewhat disingenuous (or unreliable is maybe a better word) when one game can have such a drastic effect on the average margin of defeat. Tends to happen with such small sample sizes.
Posted on 1/21/19 at 7:30 pm to lsufball19
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well, to be fair, Miles in 2015 lost 3 straight games by 2+ scores. Orgeron lost two games this year by one score and was blown out in another. Coming up with an average margin of defeat is somewhat disingenuous (or unreliable is maybe a better word) when one game can have such a drastic effect on the average margin of defeat. Tends to happen with such small sample sizes.
Or Orgeron could just not suffer the worst defeat to Alabama since 2001. That would also save his margin of defeat.
ETA: I've said more than once that Miles time at LSU was up. That doesn't mean that I have to watch LSU achieve the same exact results and be content with the current coach. That's the definition of hypocrisy.
This post was edited on 1/21/19 at 7:32 pm
Posted on 1/21/19 at 7:32 pm to RB10
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I'll take this as "I don't really have any more spin moves
Nah, you're just hung up on a coach that lost it. You can't discuss the present. It's the same whining, different thread.
Posted on 1/21/19 at 7:33 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Nah, you're just hung up on a coach that lost it. You can't discuss the present. It's the same whining, different thread.
I'm not even the one who brought up Miles. Just doing the usual rounds of pointing out the idiocy that comes when you try and spin a 3 loss season as something special.
Posted on 1/21/19 at 7:33 pm to lsufball19
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well, to be fair, Miles in 2015 lost 3 straight games by 2+ scores
Yep, then two of the first 4 the next year, which is why we have new leadership
Posted on 1/21/19 at 7:36 pm to RB10
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Or Orgeron could just not suffer the worst defeat to Alabama since 2001. That would also save his margin of defeat.
I'm not saying that our performance against Alabama was acceptable, but if you want to compare the 2015 and 2018 seasons, providing all relevant information is necessary when making a proper evaluation. Statistics aren't all that difficult to manipulate to cater to whatever point you're trying to make. Both coaches were completely outclassed by Alabama. To me, a blowout is a blowout. And the problem with Miles in 2015 is how the team responded after the Alabama game. I was still on team Miles until that Ole Miss game. He completely lost me after getting wrecked three straight games. Just showed me he didn't have the will or drive to change at that point in his career. That's not me saying Orgeron is better than Miles or anything similar. He hasn't earned the right to be compared to Miles at this point. But comparing those two seasons in a vacuum, I do feel this 2018 team was better and showed a lot more heart and drive than the 2015 team did. Part of me sometimes feels that Miles knew he was done too and checked out.
This post was edited on 1/21/19 at 7:38 pm
Posted on 1/21/19 at 7:38 pm to lsufball19
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And the problem with Miles in 2015 is how the team responded after the Alabama game.
You mean like following it up with a 7 point win over 2-10 Arkansas and a loss to Texas A&M?
ETA: The 2018 season was definitely better than the 2015 season, but not because the losses were "better". That's some weak moral victory bullshite that I don't have time for.
ETAA: Miles had ugly losses and they, coupled with the title drought, got him fired. Orgeron also has ugly losses, and there's still a title drought. At some point, the man has to be held to the same standards as his predecessors.
This post was edited on 1/21/19 at 7:43 pm
Posted on 1/21/19 at 7:38 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Yep, then two of the first 4 the next year, which is why we have new leadership
Point me to the post of someone saying Miles should still be the head coach at LSU please.
Posted on 1/21/19 at 7:42 pm to RB10
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You mean like following it up with a 7 point win over 2-10 Arkansas and a loss to Texas A&M?
I meant not getting blown out 3 straight games. So you read my entire post and took one part, out of context, and chose to reply, completely ignoring the rest? You know, the part where I said Orgeron hasn't earned the right to be compared to Miles, etc....you know things you probably agree with. But seems to me you're looking to argue, so have at it.
Posted on 1/21/19 at 7:43 pm to oOoLsUtIgErSoOo
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Point me to the post of someone saying Miles should still be the head coach at LSU please.
Ole boy seems to think so, he's still in mourning.
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