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re: For Those Who are Convinced Les Calls the Plays
Posted on 9/22/14 at 10:54 am to LSUfan20005
Posted on 9/22/14 at 10:54 am to LSUfan20005
come on man. This shite looks like what we have ran for years. It's not bad if you have a run game and good defense, but if you don't, it fricking sucks.
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Posted on 9/22/14 at 10:55 am to USMCTiger03
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Apparently not, as so many are denying Miles' influence on the offensive game plan.
I just dont think its possible that he calls all the plays like some suggest. Im sorry, but i hope that our head coach was involved with game planning. But you see the same things, defense shits the bed yet its miles fault when 3 years ago every one was saying chavis saved miles job and its because he gave full control to him. Defense sucks and Miles must be calling the defense as well. Both sides have an agenda.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 10:58 am to monsterballads
i didnt watch the bama game, but UF has a lame duck coach. i wouldnt be suprised if we beat that arse in the swamp. Im not worried about that team.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 10:58 am to dgnx6
LSU executes it terribly. Always have. Only worked one time in that win against Alabama. Other than that this play has been pretty much a waste. You are right Jennings should have kicked it out to a RB, but I'm not to sure they would have got in the endzone either. State was just all over it. LSU always does that quick toss down there to a RB which is hard to stop because the RB has the advantage running outside at a very fast pace and can barrel into the endzone. But not one time did they call that play.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 11:01 am to tubucoco
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Or run that lame option MSU stuffed at the goal line. Cameron doesn't call shite like that. That's def Miles sayin what he wants.
That play would have worked if Jennings pitches the ball. Was a load option with a lead blocker outside and I believe we could have got to the edge for a TD. Not sayin it was the best play call in the world, but better execution was needed.
And LF does not yet fully know how to run the holes in this offense. Had some bad runs near the goalline and other places
Posted on 9/22/14 at 11:04 am to Brisket
I don't agree. State had it strung out like they were expecting it, but Jenning should have def pitched it to the RB.
This post was edited on 9/22/14 at 11:05 am
Posted on 9/22/14 at 11:07 am to CptBengal
quote:I think that's called being a head coach.
you dont think Miles tells them the overall strategy? You dont think they have meetings before the game where he outline show the game should go?
Posted on 9/22/14 at 11:10 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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I think Cam is of the same offensive mind as Les. And that's why he was hired.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 11:11 am to tubucoco
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LSU executes it terribly. Always have. Only worked one time in that win against Alabama
We havent always though, we just try it with a qb that isnt good at it. flynn and rp could run that play all day. Im just as frustrated as everyone else, but i sat back and watched the game and it was missed opportunities on offense that could have really changed the game. that's why i think we need to make a change at qb, and do it now.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 11:11 am to munchman
if you think that, then you have never seen cam call plays for any other team
Posted on 9/22/14 at 11:14 am to dgnx6
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I just dont think its possible that he calls all the plays like some suggest. Im sorry, but i hope that our head coach was involved with game planning. But you see the same things, defense shits the bed yet its miles fault when 3 years ago every one was saying chavis saved miles job and its because he gave full control to him. Defense sucks and Miles must be calling the defense as well. Both sides have an agenda.
Calling the plays ala someone like Sean Payton? No. But you cannot deny that the principles of the offense are his. There's just no other conclusion to be made. LSU has had 4 different QBs, 3 different OCs since 2009, and outside of times last year, the offense has looked basically the same. There is only 1 common denominator in that whole equation.
The majority of that time LSU has had a defense that could stifle opposing offenses which allowed the offense to either "wear down" an opponent, or make just enough plays to win. Therefore, while the offenses effectiveness was always a concern, the end result was usually a "W". 4 games in it doesn't look like LSU has the kind of defense that will allow them to just grind out games offensively. Nevertheless, that seemingly continues to be the plan until the offense is put in big hole and forced to become more diverse. It's very hard to come back from big deficits, and in both games against quality opponents thus far LSU has found themselves down 17+ points at some point in the 2nd half. Sadly I don't see the DL or LBs getting much better as the season goes on. Therefore something MUST change in the way LSU goes about things on offense if they want to have a chance in their remaining SEC games
This post was edited on 9/22/14 at 11:16 am
Posted on 9/22/14 at 2:46 pm to Jeffreylebowski
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See Post called - The Toss Dive
Been running that play with 3 different OCs now.
That may be, but Charley Mac ran that one also.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 2:48 pm to Hoodatt
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That may be, but Charley Mac ran that one also.
you sure it wasn't the toss sweep?
Posted on 9/22/14 at 3:15 pm to Alt26
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Calling the plays ala someone like Sean Payton? No. But you cannot deny that the principles of the offense are his. There's just no other conclusion to be made. LSU has had 4 different QBs, 3 different OCs since 2009, and outside of times last year, the offense has looked basically the same. There is only 1 common denominator in that whole equation.
A few days ago there was a post that included parts of an interview with Mike Gundy and Josh Henson where they came out and said that most of their attempts to get Miles to make changes to the offense at OSU fell on deaf ears. One of them said something to the effect that if the play didn't include 1 WR, 2TE, and the I formation, then Miles wasn't interested.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 3:20 pm to LSUfan20005
who needs a play sheet for "fullback off left guard. fullback off right guard". Miles' ego is a detriment to the team. A 7-7 game changes everything. We could have had 10 shots from the 3 and wouldn't have gotten in. Does he think teams don't watch film.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 3:23 pm to Datbayoubengal
The only thing the toss dive does is negate your ability to run play action.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 3:27 pm to LSUfan20005
I think Les probably keeps them 'in a box'. Outlines a certain set of plays or types of plays that can be run out of a certain set, and no deviation from that. That's part of his strategy, sometimes it's worked and produced ugly wins, sometimes it's produced pretty wins, and occasionally even produces ugly losses.
The problem with his strategy, is that when it does result in a loss, it's so ugly, that the fallout is epic.
Imagine if we had lost by 5 points after seeing Jennings throw for 3 TD's and LF trucking defenders for 20 yard gains. We still would've lost but fans would feel like they left it all on the field and gave it a good shot.
Miles' strategy is ugly, winning or losing, and that's never a good place to be.
The problem with his strategy, is that when it does result in a loss, it's so ugly, that the fallout is epic.
Imagine if we had lost by 5 points after seeing Jennings throw for 3 TD's and LF trucking defenders for 20 yard gains. We still would've lost but fans would feel like they left it all on the field and gave it a good shot.
Miles' strategy is ugly, winning or losing, and that's never a good place to be.
This post was edited on 9/22/14 at 3:28 pm
Posted on 9/22/14 at 3:33 pm to tubucoco
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I don't agree. State had it strung out like they were expecting it, but Jenning should have def pitched it to the RB.
State did an excellent job with scouting LSU. They knew exactly what to look for. Even on a reverse we lost five yards.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 3:34 pm to LSUfan20005
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He never has a playsheet (that I've seen), yet Cam does. Does he just have fantastic memory? Hard to come to the conclusion he's actually calling the plays if you watch him.
Who the hell needs a sheet when you only need to call I Formation run up the gut!!
Posted on 9/22/14 at 3:38 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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I think Cam is of the same offensive mind as Les. And that's why he was hired.
Then what was Cam doing releasing the hounds with Antwan Randle El at Indiana... That was no Les Miles bang it up the middle offense, it was spread, read option, option, QB daws, 3-4 wide, bombs, etc... wide open shite
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