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re: For those of you who think we "know" what Harris is

Posted on 9/7/16 at 12:06 pm to
Posted by BeeFense5
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Posted on 9/7/16 at 12:06 pm to
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Heres another one RB10

Another what? The frick?
Posted by tiggerthetooth
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Posted on 9/7/16 at 12:07 pm to
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The scheme has nothing to do with poor mechanics


Of course it does. Dropping back seven steps and throwing off your back foot is different than taking the snap in the shotgun and throwing off your front foot.
Posted by nola000
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Posted on 9/7/16 at 12:08 pm to
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Forget about Miles for a minute. We have MAJOR QB problems.


Cmon RB10, read it a little bit at least. Look brother, Im in agreeance with you that most of the fanbase realizes at this point(FINALLY) that its the scheme/coaching but there are still holdouts blaming Harris, is my point.
Posted by BeeFense5
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Posted on 9/7/16 at 12:08 pm to
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Dropping back seven steps and throwing off your back foot is different than taking the snap in the shotgun and throwing off your front foot.


I have seen thousands of 7 step drops where qb's weren't airmailing passes off their back foot. They set and threw.
Posted by nola000
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Posted on 9/7/16 at 12:09 pm to
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Another what? The frick?


No offense(or pun intended) BeeFense5. I was giving RB10 an example of something he was asking for.
Posted by RB10
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Posted on 9/7/16 at 12:10 pm to
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nola000


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Heres another one RB10


Dude........

Beefense is the biggest Miles supporter and sunshine pumper on this site. Even he's agreeing it's a problem with the coaches and the player.

Are you slow or something?
Posted by BeeFense5
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Posted on 9/7/16 at 12:10 pm to
I am not trying to dog Harris and blame him for everything. I just think he has poor mechanics that leads to some of the poor throws and that is also a coaching flaw.
Posted by RB10
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Posted on 9/7/16 at 12:10 pm to
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Cmon RB10, read it a little bit at least. Look brother, Im in agreeance with you that most of the fanbase realizes at this point(FINALLY) that its the scheme/coaching but there are still holdouts blaming Harris, is my point.


So, you are slow. Got it.
Posted by nola000
Lacombe, LA
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 9/7/16 at 12:11 pm to
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Are you slow or something?


Am I slow? Please read RB...

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The scheme has nothing to do with poor mechanics.


How does this comment not, in the very least, suggest that its a Harris problem?
This post was edited on 9/7/16 at 12:13 pm
Posted by ShortyRob
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Posted on 9/7/16 at 12:13 pm to
I think too much is being read into the point here.

My point isn't that people discount the coaching effect.

It's simply that based on the pattern, we have literally no way of knowing what Harris's problem is or if it's fixable.

Basically, in withholding judgment on EVERYTHING Harris.

Sure. He may actually suck. There's just no way to actually figure it out short of seeing him under another coach
Posted by nola000
Lacombe, LA
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 9/7/16 at 12:13 pm to
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I just think he has poor mechanics that leads to some of the poor throws and that is also a coaching flaw.


See? He clarified. This is what many arent doing and it leads people to believe that people are blaming the bevy of failed Miles QBs, as if there isnt a common denominator.
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 9/7/16 at 12:14 pm to
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Am I slow? Please read RB...


No, you need to comprehend what you're reading.

"Forget about Miles for a minute." is the equivalent of saying the coaches are a problem. He just wanted to discuss Harris being a problem as well and not turn it into a "fire Miles" thread.

Jesus....
Posted by BeeFense5
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Posted on 9/7/16 at 12:14 pm to
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How does this comment not, in the very least, suggest that its a Harris problem.


I don't understand why it is all or nothing with some of you. Players do have a responsibility to execute also.

I feel like I have to qualify every post at this point but I AM NOT BLAMING HARRIS
Posted by say when
Member since Mar 2015
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Posted on 9/7/16 at 12:14 pm to
Nailed it Shorty.
Posted by nola000
Lacombe, LA
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 9/7/16 at 12:15 pm to
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I think too much is being read into the point here.

My point isn't that people discount the coaching effect.

It's simply that based on the pattern, we have literally no way of knowing what Harris's problem is or if it's fixable.

Basically, in withholding judgment on EVERYTHING Harris.

Sure. He may actually suck. There's just no way to actually figure it out short of seeing him under another coach


Now see, this is a clear and concise post. Although I disagree that,
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It's simply that based on the pattern, we have literally no way of knowing what Harris's problem is or if it's fixable.
I think there is a very clear pattern that its a coaching problem although Harris could also be terrible.
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 9/7/16 at 12:16 pm to
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It's simply that based on the pattern, we have literally no way of knowing what Harris's problem is or if it's fixable


We know he's not able to produce efficiently in the offense his coaches are trying to run. When that's the case, and you couple it with a staff who won't adjust their scheme, you have issues.

There's more than enough evidence to question Harris' ability as a QB.
Posted by nola000
Lacombe, LA
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 9/7/16 at 12:16 pm to
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I don't understand why it is all or nothing with some of you. Players do have a responsibility to execute also.


I agree.

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I feel like I have to qualify every post at this point but I AM NOT BLAMING HARRIS


Well semantics do matter in debate. Otherwise the message is lost.
Posted by tiggerthetooth
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Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 9/7/16 at 12:19 pm to
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have seen thousands of 7 step drops where qb's weren't airmailing passes off their back foot. They set and threw


In the NFL? Because it's not happening in college.
Posted by nola000
Lacombe, LA
Member since Dec 2014
13139 posts
Posted on 9/7/16 at 12:20 pm to
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"Forget about Miles for a minute." is the equivalent of saying the coaches are a problem.


Maybe. Or maybe theyre saying "leave Miles alone and think about the shitty QB".

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He just wanted to discuss Harris being a problem as well and not turn it into a "fire Miles" thread.


Ok. If that was evident initially then I wouldnt have misunderstood it. He clarified afterwards and his point was obvious. For the record, throughout school I had always scored in the 90th percentile in reading comprehension. The problem as I saw it is that those around me often scored very poorly in essay writing.
This post was edited on 9/7/16 at 12:23 pm
Posted by BeeFense5
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Posted on 9/7/16 at 12:20 pm to
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In the NFL? Because it's not happening in college.


I've seen it both in college and the pros over the years. Why are you saying it's not happening in college?
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