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re: For those BCS lovers who think...
Posted on 11/17/10 at 2:16 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
Posted on 11/17/10 at 2:16 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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You keep asking for evidence why a college footballl playoff would diminish the regular season, and the you proceed to dimish the regular seasons for sports that have playoffs. Can you not see what you keep doing over and over again?
You ask for the facts to support the argument that a playoff would dimish the regular season - and then you provide them yourself!
You need some reading comprehension skills. The point that was being made is cfb is the most popular sport in the country and cbb(even though it isn't as popular as cfb) is very popular for march madness so why would anyone think that a cfb playoff wouldn't be better than any playoff used in any sport.
Please go back and read everything in context before you
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Posted on 11/17/10 at 2:18 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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here is a clue there isn't a system that would get it right.
Again, then why change it?
Once again you need reading comprehension skills. This was in reference to the BCS formula getting 2 teams right....as opposed to a playoff.
Posted on 11/17/10 at 2:24 pm to molsusports
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the college basketball experience would translate to college football in some ways... in that the general fan interest would drop off significantly during the regular season
I still haven't seen anything but your opinion that supports this. You have gone back and researched cbb ratings over how many years to support this? In the south cfb is king. Go up in the Northeast and it probably isn't.
Posted on 11/17/10 at 2:56 pm to Topwater Trout
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The point that was being made is cfb is the most popular sport in the country and cbb(even though it isn't as popular as cfb) is very popular for march madness so why would anyone think that a cfb playoff wouldn't be better than any playoff used in any sport.
It may be, but you're still minimizing the regular season for CBB.
Yes, CFB playoffs may be more popular than any other playoffs - at the cost of sacrificing the regular seaqson, just like CBB and the NBA for that matter.
I guess we should just stop discussing this. You just will never see my perspective.
Probably because you simply don't want to.
Posted on 11/17/10 at 3:10 pm to Topwater Trout
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Since there is no fair way to determine what team is better than another it is all dependant on humans and computers to set the BCSCG matchup
please give me a system that doesn't use humans and/or computers to put teams in the playoffs
Posted on 11/17/10 at 3:16 pm to Topwater Trout
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There is nothing to reasonably substantiate the opinion that the regular season would become less meaningful.
letting in 4, and possibly 5-loss teams would make the regular season less meaningful.
you're letting a team with FIVE losses play for the title. think about that.
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The excitement surrounding the regular season would be magnified by the following.
excitement is one thing
value is another thing
don't mix them up
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Winning conference championships will be a motivation to secure a home playoff seeding.
i seriously doubt teams are allowed home games in the playoffs
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16 teams ensures that the best teams are competing for the title.
no it doesn't. this is a logical fallacy
if you utilized automatic qualifications based on conference affiliation, it makes this comment mean even less
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3. Home playoff games...enough said.
won't happen likely. too much money to be gained by the elite
Posted on 11/17/10 at 3:29 pm to Topwater Trout
I dont know if CFB would become less or more popular with a playoff, or stay the same. Who knows.
But I dont think the issue, in our theoretical discussions, is popularity. The issue is finding the fairest and most meaningful method of determining a champ. A playoff is an alternative to the BCS, but some playoff formats are better than others.
8 teams? How do you have 8 teams when some conferences suck? Disregard the conference champ and take the top 8? Are the 8 teams decided by polls? This would blow up the whole idea of conferences I think,if the 6 major conference champs were not automatically in. Is that OK? Would it ever be allowed to happen?
6 team format? Same problem as with 8 teams--what to do with conference champs?
4 team format? Is that too few? In years where there are 1,2, or 3 undefeated teams from major conferences, 4 teams would be too many. This year I guess we'd have Oregon, Auburn, Boise, TCU. Is that any better than what we will have with the BCS--TCU and Boise rewarded for a creampuff schedule?
Playoff discussion always leads to questions on top of questions. If it is done, then great. I'd watch and love it. Until then, great. I'm watching and loving the BCS.
But I dont think the issue, in our theoretical discussions, is popularity. The issue is finding the fairest and most meaningful method of determining a champ. A playoff is an alternative to the BCS, but some playoff formats are better than others.
8 teams? How do you have 8 teams when some conferences suck? Disregard the conference champ and take the top 8? Are the 8 teams decided by polls? This would blow up the whole idea of conferences I think,if the 6 major conference champs were not automatically in. Is that OK? Would it ever be allowed to happen?
6 team format? Same problem as with 8 teams--what to do with conference champs?
4 team format? Is that too few? In years where there are 1,2, or 3 undefeated teams from major conferences, 4 teams would be too many. This year I guess we'd have Oregon, Auburn, Boise, TCU. Is that any better than what we will have with the BCS--TCU and Boise rewarded for a creampuff schedule?
Playoff discussion always leads to questions on top of questions. If it is done, then great. I'd watch and love it. Until then, great. I'm watching and loving the BCS.
Posted on 11/17/10 at 3:47 pm to biglego
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Playoff discussion always leads to questions on top of questions
which is why i said earlier i'd like people who want playoffs to decide upon a system first then they can act logical and/or superior
the concept of acceptable playoffs has morphed dramatically since 2003
Posted on 11/17/10 at 3:49 pm to SlowFlowPro
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letting in 4, and possibly 5-loss teams would make the regular season less meaningful.
Never stated a team with 4 or 5 losses would make it......pretty much look at the top 16 now.
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excitement is one thing
value is another thing
I don't see how this would change? and wouldn't extra playoiff games add more value
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i seriously doubt teams are allowed home games in the playoffs
that is the only way i want to see it done.....keeping bowls to do it would be highly illogical expecting fanbases to travel up to 4x all across the country for a month.
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won't happen likely. too much money to be gained by the elite
It is done in other sports.....The Playoff tv contract would be split b/w conferences.
Posted on 11/17/10 at 3:54 pm to Topwater Trout
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Never stated a team with 4 or 5 losses would make it
if you allow conference champs in, it's very possible and likely
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and wouldn't extra playoiff games add more value
not to the regular season
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that is the only way i want to see it done
which is fine and all, but i doubt they let teams have 2-3 extra home games (that's $5-15M extra per year)
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It is done in other sports.
other sports don't make nearly the same amount of money from home games as top-tier CFB schools
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The Playoff tv contract would be split b/w conferences.
so the SEC would get an equal share as the Sunbelt?
Posted on 11/17/10 at 4:08 pm to SlowFlowPro
Like I pointed out earlier, the main problem with the play-off is that those pushing for a play-off can't even agree on how it would work (conf champ, BCS rankings, number of teams etc). Until then we'll deal with the BSC.
Again think of the season as a long play-off (for BCS conferences), win em all and you're IN. If you slip once then you'll need some outside help...
Again think of the season as a long play-off (for BCS conferences), win em all and you're IN. If you slip once then you'll need some outside help...
Posted on 11/17/10 at 4:10 pm to SlowFlowPro
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so the SEC would get an equal share as the Sunbelt?
no....do they with the current bowl system?
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if you allow conference champs in, it's very possible and likely
I am only interested in seeing the best 16 teams or maybe top 14 with the best 2 from smaller conferences. See cbb how many conferences only get in with a conf tourney championship....quite a few. It is done in FCS and seems to work just fine I would have to research there qualifications to apply to FCS. Which I won't do I have wasted enough time on this lol
Also isn't it done with the current BCS systems? Non AQ teams have a hard time making it. Just apply the same type of restrictions on a playoff.
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which is fine and all, but i doubt they let teams have 2-3 extra home games (that's $5-15M extra per year)
How exactly is this different from the BCS teams each year? It is likely the same BCS teams would host playoff games.
Posted on 11/17/10 at 4:19 pm to Topwater Trout
BCS = Broken, Confused, Stinks
Posted on 11/17/10 at 4:21 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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I guess we should just stop discussing this. You just will never see my perspective.
Probably because you simply don't want to.
It's not like I woke up this morning thinking we need a playoff. I have thought about it way before the BCS was ever developed. Back when the #1 team would play the #6 team while #2 was playing # 5 in a bowl game b/c of conference tie ins with bowls. The BCS definitely improved on the old system....but it has its flaws still.
Posted on 11/17/10 at 4:25 pm to SlowFlowPro
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please give me a system that doesn't use humans and/or computers to put teams in the playoffs
Point was it is the only system that determines the final 2 teams to play for a title....thus leaving, in many years, other teams crying that they deserved a shot. I think it should be used to determine a greater number of teams rather than 2
Posted on 11/17/10 at 4:38 pm to Topwater Trout
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no....do they with the current bowl system?
how will the money be shared then?
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I am only interested in seeing the best 16 teams
i hope you don't dismiss the BCS for using human/computer polls, then
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See cbb how many conferences only get in with a conf tourney championship....quite a few.
march madness sucks
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How exactly is this different from the BCS teams each year?
uh...these schools would be getting huge TV money and that gate revenue on top of it
Posted on 11/17/10 at 8:06 pm to SG_Geaux
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We have clenched a spot in the playoffs
Making the next two weeks completely irrelevant, eh?
Exactly why I DON'T want a playoff.
Like there isn't games on the schedule that isn't irrelevant (e.g. ULM, mcneese)
Posted on 11/17/10 at 8:18 pm to SlowFlowPro
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how will the money be shared then?
like they can't figure that out, or the way money is being shared now is perfect
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march madness sucks
if this is the basis of your argument you already lost
Posted on 11/17/10 at 8:42 pm to nycajun
Not so much.
Here we are 2 games away from the end of the regular season. LSU, at 9-1, is sitting in 5th place. If we lose either of our last 2 games we likely fall out of the top 8 spots. So an 8 team playoff keeps it real right up to the end for us, for the other 1 loss teams, and probably for the 2 pretenders from the non-AQ schools.
Yea, for this year. What about the years LSU is 7-3, ranked 19 with 2 games to go? How extiting are the games then? Or what about the teams ranked 20 to 40, what are thay playing for? Don't say for some lesser Bowl, because if a playoff is started, the bowl games go away. Sponsors will then be bidding air time on playoff games instead of into bowl games. Then you have 8 or 12 playoff teams getting all the money. That is really spreading it around.
Here we are 2 games away from the end of the regular season. LSU, at 9-1, is sitting in 5th place. If we lose either of our last 2 games we likely fall out of the top 8 spots. So an 8 team playoff keeps it real right up to the end for us, for the other 1 loss teams, and probably for the 2 pretenders from the non-AQ schools.
Yea, for this year. What about the years LSU is 7-3, ranked 19 with 2 games to go? How extiting are the games then? Or what about the teams ranked 20 to 40, what are thay playing for? Don't say for some lesser Bowl, because if a playoff is started, the bowl games go away. Sponsors will then be bidding air time on playoff games instead of into bowl games. Then you have 8 or 12 playoff teams getting all the money. That is really spreading it around.
Posted on 11/18/10 at 8:54 am to Nunk Red
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How extiting are the games then? Or what about the teams ranked 20 to 40, what are thay playing for?
What are they playing for now? To go to the papa johns bowl over independence bowl? I think people want to believe the bowls mean everything to these players....but with 35 bowls and 70 out of 119 teams making bowls it isn't a big deal unless your at a horrible program and/or make a "big" bowl. Ole miss is 4-6 and still have a shot at a bowl....we will see how bad they want to make a bowl saturday.
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the bowl games go away
Why? they have maybe 10 good ones and the rest are meaningless right now so why would they dissappear with a playoff?
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