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re: For real basketball fans, and people who know basketball Xs and Os...
Posted on 3/21/21 at 4:59 pm to purplengold1
Posted on 3/21/21 at 4:59 pm to purplengold1
quote:I already acknowledged that.
Except they didn’t run that at all today. They repeatedly tried to throw the ball in to Cockburn.
LSU almost never throws the ball into the low post.
But their basic offense was to spread the floor, put two guys in the corner, ball handler out top, and run a high ball screen. No other movement.
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Posted on 3/21/21 at 5:16 pm to purplengold1
We play an NBA iso style, because we have 3 guys who can score on anyone.
Posted on 3/21/21 at 5:24 pm to JakeRStephenes
quote:my point is that if our guys are cold or we're facing a great defensive opponent, we need to switch to a different offense with a lot of movement, to try to free up our guys for open looks.
We play an NBA iso style, because we have 3 guys who can score on anyone.
Posted on 3/21/21 at 5:33 pm to atltiger6487
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my point is that if our guys are cold or we're facing a great defensive opponent, we need to switch to a different offense with a lot of movement, to try to free up our guys for open looks.
THIS EXACTLY!!! This was my point to begin with. Maybe I made it hard to u set stand but this is how I feel as well. I know we have great scorers but if they go cold we live and die by their shooting only. Their is basically no plan B, especially if we playing shorty on defense and not rebounding.
Posted on 3/21/21 at 5:35 pm to drizztiger
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drizztiger
Tiger Nation 84
I notice the posters that have been around for years supporting the program.
I just didn't agree with you being lumped in with "the usual suspects".
I appreciate the hell out of it Drizz! Thank you man, because I’m not bashing or trying to bash our team I love them, I’m just nervous for the game, I will be on edge as frick tomorrow
This post was edited on 3/21/21 at 5:35 pm
Posted on 3/21/21 at 5:38 pm to Tiger Nation 84
quote:yep, it's just common sense.
THIS EXACTLY!!! This was my point to begin with. Maybe I made it hard to u set stand but this is how I feel as well. I know we have great scorers but if they go cold we live and die by their shooting only. Their is basically no plan B, especially if we playing shorty on defense and not rebounding.
Any coach that only has one offense, and who can't adjust when things aren't going as planned, isn't doing his job.
And I'm not just talking about Wade - I'm talking about any coach. And a great example is the Illinois coach today - who didn't change a single thing even as his team struggled all game long. No changes - and he just rode it all the way to a double digit loss.
Posted on 3/21/21 at 5:40 pm to Tiger Nation 84
If we have 4 scorers that all go cold, we lose.
No coaching is going to fix that.
That's literally how you win or lose in the NCAAT.
Bad shooters get hot and win a game they shouldn't and great shooters get cold and lose a game they shouldn't.
That's the game.
No coaching is going to fix that.
That's literally how you win or lose in the NCAAT.
Bad shooters get hot and win a game they shouldn't and great shooters get cold and lose a game they shouldn't.
That's the game.
Posted on 3/21/21 at 5:44 pm to Tiger Nation 84
quote:No worries man. I understand. I know you support the team.
I appreciate the hell out of it Drizz! Thank you man, because I’m not bashing or trying to bash our team I love them, I’m just nervous for the game, I will be on edge as frick tomorrow
I'm just trying to give perspective for posters that haven't followed the team or just started watching CBB games a few day ago.
Posted on 3/21/21 at 5:51 pm to drizztiger
quote:I bet you're the type that also supported Miles when he continued to pound the ball off tackle against our better opponents - instead of adjusting the offense.
If we have 4 scorers that all go cold, we lose.
No coaching is going to fix that.
That's literally how you win or lose in the NCAAT.
Bad shooters get hot and win a game they shouldn't and great shooters get cold and lose a game they shouldn't.
That's the game.
You do realize there are games where everyone is cold, or the defense is taking a lot away - and the coach HAS TO TRY TO FIND SOMETHING ELSE THAT WORKS.
And again, this isn't only related to Wade - it's application to all coaches in all sports.
Posted on 3/21/21 at 6:01 pm to atltiger6487
I'll respond, but so far you've dismissed my takes as a homer and now:
quote:I don't think you're worthy of my time really, but if you think we don't adjust, I'm not sure what to say.
I bet you're the type that also supported Miles when he continued to pound the ball off tackle against our better opponents - instead of adjusting the offense.
Posted on 3/21/21 at 6:19 pm to atltiger6487
You’re a moron.
Posted on 3/21/21 at 6:25 pm to Tiger Nation 84
frick off loser
Posted on 3/21/21 at 6:28 pm to atltiger6487
quote:Pretty sure most coaches will tell you that when nothing is working, you go get a layup or get to the line. Almost like.....
You do realize there are games where everyone is cold, or the defense is taking a lot away - and the coach HAS TO TRY TO FIND SOMETHING ELSE THAT WORKS.
What LSU does as part of base offense.
Posted on 3/21/21 at 6:45 pm to Tiger Nation 84
Dang on a Saturday morning I was sitting my hide on the Drunk Barbers shop trying to dodge his swipes at my ears from looking like Mr. Spocks..meanwhile the radio was playing "String music" as Kenny Higgs was burying jumpers..Good ol' Days..yup been a Tiger Hoops fan even before that cuz my Grand ma Loved Pistol Pete (and Dick the Bruiser in Wrasslin') and we'd be tuned in the Radio for that.
Posted on 3/21/21 at 6:46 pm to Tiger Nation 84
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For real basketball fans, and people who know basketball Xs and Os...
Nothing gets people’s attention like talking down to them in the title.
Posted on 3/21/21 at 6:55 pm to JakeRStephenes
Greetings. I am an outsider but I thought this was a great question. My take on ISO. First on why ISO is more prevalent in the NBA?
The NBA has a 24 second shot clock. If a play and it's options are all thwarted, there is little time for anything else other then an ISO. NBA teams are also composed of the greatest athletes in the world who spend the entire year working their craft. In a 7 game playoff every single play and nose hair of the opponent has been game planned. The ISO has one advantage in that if you have a superstar whose game is on, there is really nothing a defense can do to stop it. The ISO reduces basketball to an individual confrontation. A great case study was Kawhi Leonard leading the Raptors to an NBA title. Leonard's midrange game was unstoppable as he was too tall for smaller defenders to close out and too nimble for taller defenders to stay in front. A double team on the perimeter is even a faster death.
Why do teams in the NBA still run plays? The problem is the ISO is still a low percentage success play for all but the most talented. It works for LSU because the people running the plays are NBA capable players mostly playing against those who are not.
Wade is viewed by most outsiders as a lazy coach. There is no reason why some other identity cannot be cultivated. An ISO can be run on the back side as plenty of time with 30 seconds. Most people agree that LSU is far more talented then it's seed. I would agree that LSU can beat any team. But because LSU is so ISO dependent and has only one option, they can be beaten by any team. This is reflected in LSU's very low assist rate. But it is also reflected in defensive metrics. LSU is very low in defensive rebounding and defense in general because only a few stars carry the team. LSU is also low in 3pt quality shot rate. LSU is fortunate that only a few teams in the SEC like Alabama have developed a strong 3pt game. They have to concede certain plays out of the risk fouling. This would not be an issue if a bench was cultivated that had some plays that gave it identity.
In summary there is no excuse to not have other concepts developed. LSU already does a lot of pick & roll action. But its only used to attempt to cultivate the ISO matchup and not any action off of the roll. John Stockton and Karl Malone if in graves would be turning. ISO is a one horse show that if a team has the correct defensive matchups means there is no recourse. ISO is also the reaction of someone who is more a recruiter then a coach. LSU will go as far as their talent will take them.
The NBA has a 24 second shot clock. If a play and it's options are all thwarted, there is little time for anything else other then an ISO. NBA teams are also composed of the greatest athletes in the world who spend the entire year working their craft. In a 7 game playoff every single play and nose hair of the opponent has been game planned. The ISO has one advantage in that if you have a superstar whose game is on, there is really nothing a defense can do to stop it. The ISO reduces basketball to an individual confrontation. A great case study was Kawhi Leonard leading the Raptors to an NBA title. Leonard's midrange game was unstoppable as he was too tall for smaller defenders to close out and too nimble for taller defenders to stay in front. A double team on the perimeter is even a faster death.
Why do teams in the NBA still run plays? The problem is the ISO is still a low percentage success play for all but the most talented. It works for LSU because the people running the plays are NBA capable players mostly playing against those who are not.
Wade is viewed by most outsiders as a lazy coach. There is no reason why some other identity cannot be cultivated. An ISO can be run on the back side as plenty of time with 30 seconds. Most people agree that LSU is far more talented then it's seed. I would agree that LSU can beat any team. But because LSU is so ISO dependent and has only one option, they can be beaten by any team. This is reflected in LSU's very low assist rate. But it is also reflected in defensive metrics. LSU is very low in defensive rebounding and defense in general because only a few stars carry the team. LSU is also low in 3pt quality shot rate. LSU is fortunate that only a few teams in the SEC like Alabama have developed a strong 3pt game. They have to concede certain plays out of the risk fouling. This would not be an issue if a bench was cultivated that had some plays that gave it identity.
In summary there is no excuse to not have other concepts developed. LSU already does a lot of pick & roll action. But its only used to attempt to cultivate the ISO matchup and not any action off of the roll. John Stockton and Karl Malone if in graves would be turning. ISO is a one horse show that if a team has the correct defensive matchups means there is no recourse. ISO is also the reaction of someone who is more a recruiter then a coach. LSU will go as far as their talent will take them.
Posted on 3/21/21 at 8:02 pm to hfhmilkman
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hfhmilkman
Member since Mar 2021
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quote:
Greetings. I am an outsider but I thought this was a great question.
quote:This is so weak alter. You gotta be dumb as nails.
Wade is viewed by most outsiders as a lazy coach.
Just stumbled upon this thread, eh? Of all the threads. To talk about having other options than ISO. Hmmmm.
So laughable.
Posted on 3/21/21 at 9:06 pm to Tiger Nation 84
I will answer your question with a couple of questions
Can Will Wade run proper inbounds plays, you know the kind where you set up a few screens and break to the ball?
Therefore, do you think he can run proper, well organized offenses like the Big 10, ACC teams and even mid majors?
It has been street ball, but we are still getting points and winning games.
On defense, they need to learn how to run a proper 2-1-2 T-Matchup zone, but it has man to man principles, and confuses the heck out of offenses.
Can Will Wade run proper inbounds plays, you know the kind where you set up a few screens and break to the ball?
Therefore, do you think he can run proper, well organized offenses like the Big 10, ACC teams and even mid majors?
It has been street ball, but we are still getting points and winning games.
On defense, they need to learn how to run a proper 2-1-2 T-Matchup zone, but it has man to man principles, and confuses the heck out of offenses.
Posted on 3/21/21 at 9:34 pm to Dubaitiger
Lol his offense is better than almost all of those Big Ten and ACC teams you refer to. Both of those conferences are having poor tournament showing last by the way.
This post was edited on 3/21/21 at 9:34 pm
Posted on 3/21/21 at 9:36 pm to Dubaitiger
Damn, if we could only run offenses like OSU, Virginia, and Texas
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