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Posted on 6/3/14 at 8:59 am to mylsuhat
I'm actually more pissed about him putting McCune out there way too long than taking out Bouman. I never thought McCune was any good anyway.
This post was edited on 6/3/14 at 9:00 am
Posted on 6/3/14 at 9:00 am to mylsuhat
PM is responsible for losing this regional.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 9:01 am to WG_Tiger23
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This is really stretching to defend Maneri. You don't take a pitcher out that gone six innings and only given up two hits. Bouman did what he was supposed to do. Go out and win the game.
This. If you do that and fail to make all the right moves then it's on you. You're saying that your preplanned judgment trumps the reality of what you're watching. PM was left with too many options and he chose all the wrong ones based on results. For those saying that Bouman would have been rocked out of the game we'll never know. PM denied him the chance.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 9:06 am to mylsuhat
quote:This is everything. You don't go off of innings pitched, you go off of pitches pitched.
the only variation was that he hadn't thrown nearly the number of pitches
Posted on 6/3/14 at 9:09 am to PurpleAndGold86
You make a great point, and in so far as Bouman is concerned, I think any reasonable, knowledgeable fan can accept that explanation.
However, leaving in McCune and going to Fury instead of Broussard leaves him hugely open to criticism. He knew that when he did it and that's why you saw such a lack of composure from him in the dugout as it played out.
I personally think he got too cute. I really believe he knew Broussard was the obvious choice for 6 outs which no one in their right mind would question, but he felt he needed to go against the grain.
It's a shame too, because he ruined an entire season of great coaching on a misguided attempt to be a bigger part of the victory. He out coached himself. Maybe it was a situation where he had some personal feelings of obligation, IDK.
FTR, I like him as our coach, but his behavior night before last left a mark on me.
However, leaving in McCune and going to Fury instead of Broussard leaves him hugely open to criticism. He knew that when he did it and that's why you saw such a lack of composure from him in the dugout as it played out.
I personally think he got too cute. I really believe he knew Broussard was the obvious choice for 6 outs which no one in their right mind would question, but he felt he needed to go against the grain.
It's a shame too, because he ruined an entire season of great coaching on a misguided attempt to be a bigger part of the victory. He out coached himself. Maybe it was a situation where he had some personal feelings of obligation, IDK.
FTR, I like him as our coach, but his behavior night before last left a mark on me.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 9:12 am to mylsuhat
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there is no doubt but 6 innings was his limit.
How is 6 innings his limit??? Because that's when CPM pulled him in prior starts???
Maybe Bouman can go 7, or 8, or 9. Never know til you try.
It's like yanking a basketball player who's red-hot shooting the ball. Don't bench him, ride him.
This was a classic case of a baseball coach managing "by the book." No thought, no gut feel, just sticking to a rigid rule that he made up somewhere in the past. It's one of the things I hate about baseball.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 9:17 am to wahoocs
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You make a great point, and in so far as Bouman is concerned, I think any reasonable, knowledgeable fan can accept that explanation. However, leaving in McCune and going to Fury instead of Broussard leaves him hugely open to criticism. He knew that when he did it and that's why you saw such a lack of composure from him in the dugout as it played out. I personally think he got too cute. I really believe he knew Broussard was the obvious choice for 6 outs which no one in their right mind would question, but he felt he needed to go against the grain. It's a shame too, because he ruined an entire season of great coaching on a misguided attempt to be a bigger part of the victory. He out coached himself. Maybe it was a situation where he had some personal feelings of obligation, IDK.
I absolutely agree.
It's a shame. I think he got comfortable when LSU went up 4-0 and made a mistake by leaving in McCune for the 8th inning.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 9:18 am to atltiger6487
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No thought, no gut feel, just sticking to a rigid rule that he made up somewhere in the past
agree 100%. it's like benching jeremy hill vs clemson in 2012 when he was tearing them up.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 9:20 am to monsterballads
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it's like benching jeremy hill vs clemson in 2012 when he was tearing them up.
Come on man, it's nothing like that. Baseball is no comparison to football.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 9:22 am to atltiger6487
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This was a classic case of a baseball coach managing "by the book." No thought, no gut feel, just sticking to a rigid rule that he made up somewhere in the past. It's one of the things I hate about baseball.
I have come to the conclusion that PM lacks in-game instincts - unfortunately a bigger part of today's game than ever before. You can't be a Joe Torre anymore. A coach HAS to micromanage in college baseball. PM is unsure of himself during the game.
I'm not advocating his firing. But he needs to address this aspect of his coaching and improve.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 9:23 am to PurpleAndGold86
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Come on man, it's nothing like that. Baseball is no comparison to football.
Actually, in today's game, there are quite a few similarities. You have to have a feel for how the game is going and adjust on the fly.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 9:25 am to mylsuhat
So now you look at innings compared to pitch count to determine if a pitcher is done or not? 
Posted on 6/3/14 at 9:25 am to monsterballads
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I think having a preset # of pitches was a silly thing to get wrapped up in sunday night when your starter was CRUISING. Go with the hot hand until he's not hot anymore
Yes, it's mystifying.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 9:26 am to atltiger6487
Thats baseball. Instincts, statistics, luck and gut feeling. CPM used one imo in that instant, statistics, and it cost him. Like someone above said, you had a hot pitcher, 10000 home fans sensing super regional, and if it backfires you still have tomorrow. He wouldn't of pulled Nola.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 9:27 am to Mohican
There is no similarity whatsoever in what they are trying to compare.
I can guarantee you what PM's thoughts were in that he didn't want Bouman to go through the lineup again. That is the reason the kid came out. Go look at the number of hitters he faced in his last several starts. I'm not talking about IP. I am talking BF. If you choose not to believe that is the reason he didn't want to take the kid out that's fine, you can stay pissed off about it forever and blame that for the reason we lost.
You don't "adjust" that "on the fly". Bouman was mowing hitters down, but PM was comfortable with him going that distance and not any further. It happens often in baseball, especially with younger guys. Bouman is a freshman. If you don't want the kid to face a lineup that many times because he is topping out at 84 and doesn't have a swing and miss pitch it is quite difficult to argue with that. Him and Dunn know the pitchers better than you do.
I can guarantee you what PM's thoughts were in that he didn't want Bouman to go through the lineup again. That is the reason the kid came out. Go look at the number of hitters he faced in his last several starts. I'm not talking about IP. I am talking BF. If you choose not to believe that is the reason he didn't want to take the kid out that's fine, you can stay pissed off about it forever and blame that for the reason we lost.
You don't "adjust" that "on the fly". Bouman was mowing hitters down, but PM was comfortable with him going that distance and not any further. It happens often in baseball, especially with younger guys. Bouman is a freshman. If you don't want the kid to face a lineup that many times because he is topping out at 84 and doesn't have a swing and miss pitch it is quite difficult to argue with that. Him and Dunn know the pitchers better than you do.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 9:30 am to VernonPLSUfan
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He wouldn't of pulled Nola.
Nola is a junior that is a top 10 draft pick this year that can ramp it up to 95 MPH and gets a TON of swing and misses.
The gap between him and Bouman is indescribably large. There is simply NO comparison for Nola's ability to stay in a game longer vs Bouman's. If you can't understand that then you don't know baseball.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 9:35 am to PurpleAndGold86
I know baseball. I might not follow LSU like some here, but I know you don't pull a hot pitcher who hasn't allowed a run, much less hits. You let him continue with a bull pen ready. First sign of trouble, yank him. I'd be pissed if I was Bouman, especially since he is a freshman he's got three more years of this crap. And I bet it doesn't resonate well with the other players also.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 9:38 am to VernonPLSUfan
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I know baseball. I might not follow LSU like some here, but I know you don't pull a hot pitcher who hasn't allowed a run, much less hits. You let him continue with a bull pen ready.
If you know baseball then you would know exactly why PM elected to take a soft tossing freshman out of the game when he was going through the lineup for the third time.
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I'd be pissed if I was Bouman, especially since he is a freshman he's got three more years of this crap. And I bet it doesn't resonate well with the other players also.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 9:39 am to PurpleAndGold86
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Nola is a junior that is a top 10 draft pick this year that can ramp it up to 95 MPH and gets a TON of swing and misses.
The gap between him and Bouman is indescribably large. There is simply NO comparison for Nola's ability to stay in a game longer vs Bouman's. If you can't understand that then you don't know baseball.
Each game is different. Nola got lit up like a Christmas tree early Friday night and settled down.
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