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re: For everyone blaming CPM for pulling Bouman Sunday, please read this
Posted on 6/3/14 at 8:17 am to PurpleAndGold86
Posted on 6/3/14 at 8:17 am to PurpleAndGold86
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Meh, I'm just not a believer that pulling Bouman too early in some fans' eyes cost us the game. He could have just as easily gone out there and lost the 1 run lead.
You don't pull a guy who's cruising after 6 innings, in a win a move on game, unless you are planning on pitching the favorable matchups for the rest of the game. CPM inserted McCune and didn't have anyone else up and ready until he was already in trouble. That's unacceptable in that situation.
ETA: I understand CPM was hoping McCune could get the ball to Broussard in the 9th, but in that situation you HAVE to have guys ready to come in at any moment.
This post was edited on 6/3/14 at 8:20 am
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Posted on 6/3/14 at 8:19 am to RB10
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You don't pull a guy who's cruising after 6 innings, in a win a move on game, unless you are planning on pitching the favorable matchups for the rest of the game. CPM inserted McCune and didn't have anyone else up and ready until he was already in trouble. That's unacceptable in that situation.
I actually agree with this 100%. If you yank Bouman for McCune at least have someone else in the pen getting warm in case shite goes south.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 8:19 am to RB10
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You don't pull a guy who's cruising after 6 innings
You do if you aren't confident in him facing the lineup again while protecting a 1-0 lead.
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CPM inserted McCune and didn't have anyone else up and ready until he was already in trouble. That's unacceptable in that situation.
Pretty sure he had 2 guys hot when McCune started getting in trouble. He just made a bone headed decision to leave McCune in for too long there.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 8:21 am to PurpleAndGold86
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Pretty sure he had 2 guys hot when McCune started getting in trouble. He just made a bone headed decision to leave McCune in for too long there.
There's no way this is true. If they were ready McCune doesn't face another batter after loading them up.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 8:21 am to PurpleAndGold86
Broussard=Super Reginal.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 8:24 am to RB10
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There's no way this is true. If they were ready McCune doesn't face another batter after loading them up.
Uhh I'm pretty sure they were ready. That was the move that really pissed me off on Sunday night. I have NO idea why he didn't go to someone else.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 8:25 am to PurpleAndGold86
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Uhh I'm pretty sure they were ready. That was the move that really pissed me off on Sunday night. I have NO idea why he didn't go to someone else.
Honestly McCune shouldn't have even been out there in the 8th. It took an extremely lucky DP, on a bunt attempt, for him to get through the 7th.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 8:27 am to RB10
Eh, I wouldn't call it lucky. It was a dog shite of a bunt and they would have gotten the lead runner regardless.
I do agree that McCune should not have been out there in the 8th.
What kills me is that I don't think McCune would have gone out there had we not scored those extra runs in the 7th inning. I think if it is 1-0, they go matchups through the 8th and get it to Broussard.
I do agree that McCune should not have been out there in the 8th.
What kills me is that I don't think McCune would have gone out there had we not scored those extra runs in the 7th inning. I think if it is 1-0, they go matchups through the 8th and get it to Broussard.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 8:27 am to rlanders23
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This is where I trust the decision of the coaching staff that spends months upon months of their time working through fall practices and bullpens with the kid over a bunch of idiots on a message board.
Not buying this, sometimes you have to sit back and look at the forest. You cannot stay on a script because you planned it that way. Bouman was mowing em down, PM took his own team out of the game.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 8:30 am to PurpleAndGold86
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Eh, I wouldn't call it lucky. It was a dog shite of a bunt and they would have gotten the lead runner regardless.
Anytime you turn 2 on a bunt attempt a decent amount of luck is involved.
ETA: the only time it's not luck is when the pitcher gets one in on their hands and forces a bad bunt, which McCune didn't do. He laid one out there for the kid to put down and got lucky it was a bad bunt.
This post was edited on 6/3/14 at 8:32 am
Posted on 6/3/14 at 8:30 am to mylsuhat
This is really stretching to defend Maneri. You don't take a pitcher out that gone six innings and only given up two hits. Bouman did what he was supposed to do. Go out and win the game.
He wasn't showing fatigue. But Paul basically abandoned him.
I also agree that the worst mistake was with the reliever though. Leaving him in was awful.
He wasn't showing fatigue. But Paul basically abandoned him.
I also agree that the worst mistake was with the reliever though. Leaving him in was awful.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 8:31 am to RB10
I guess if you call a wretched bunt attempt by the other team lucky then sure it's luck. It really doesn't matter. He got through the inning on 10 pitches. Only one hitter reached and he faced the minimum. I don't call that luck, but if you want to that's fine.
I do agree 100% wholeheartedly that McCune shouldn't have pitched the 8th inning.
I do agree 100% wholeheartedly that McCune shouldn't have pitched the 8th inning.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 8:34 am to mylsuhat
Why are you not choosing to list the number of pitches through those innings?
Posted on 6/3/14 at 8:35 am to PurpleAndGold86
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I guess if you call a wretched bunt attempt by the other team lucky then sure it's luck. It really doesn't matter. He got through the inning on 10 pitches. Only one hitter reached and he faced the minimum. I don't call that luck, but if you want to that's fine.
I believe that any time you capitalize on another teams mistake is lucky. Don't get me wrong that's exactly what you're supposed to do in that situation is capitalize, but it's still lucky.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 8:41 am to PurpleAndGold86
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You do if you aren't confident in him facing the lineup again while protecting a 1-0 lead.
God forbid a baseball coach make a decision based on the flow of the game. Bouman was dominating them. Even when McCune was on this year he always had some lasers hit off of him. It was silly to bring him in in the 7th. Despite all of that it worked. There is just no good reason he should've gone back out in the 8th when you're 6 outs away from a Super with a 4 run lead and your shutdown closer fully rested.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 8:45 am to Tigerdew
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There is just no good reason he should've gone back out in the 8th when you're 6 outs away from a Super with a 4 run lead and your shutdown closer fully rested.
No, there really isn't. I think everyone in this entire thread agrees with that.
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God forbid a baseball coach make a decision based on the flow of the game
He did. Despite only giving up two hits, Bouman wasn't missing any bats. He literally had 0 strikeouts. It was a 1-0 game. Not a bad decision to not let him go through the lineup three times. Certainly not a decision that you can say cost us the game.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 8:48 am to PurpleAndGold86
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He did. Despite only giving up two hits, Bouman wasn't missing any bats
Boumans non misses resulted in groundballs and outs.
Exactly what you ask for from your pitcher. Nola is the only one with major league stuff that can consistently miss bats. Bouman did what a good college pitcher should. He was calm and let his defense play. He wasn't getting into trouble.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 8:48 am to PurpleAndGold86
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He did. Despite only giving up two hits, Bouman wasn't missing any bats. He literally had 0 strikeouts. It was a 1-0 game. Not a bad decision to not let him go through the lineup three times. Certainly not a decision that you can say cost us the game.
There's no way you can say it didn't either.
eta: 4 base runners through 6. 4.................. mother fricking 4. You ride that guy in a championship type game 100% of the time.
This post was edited on 6/3/14 at 8:50 am
Posted on 6/3/14 at 8:50 am to barry
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it was sending McCune back out for a 2nd inning, letting him load them up and leave him out there
And don't forget the good fortune McCune had in the first inning he pitched. Very lucky to get that bunt reach 1st base like a swinging liner and have the ball pop up in Hales glove and for him to complete a dbl play. Then the next guy gets a hit if i recall that would have scored the runner from 2nd had it not been for the dbl play.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 8:54 am to catnip
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Then the next guy gets a hit if i recall that would have scored the runner from 2nd had it not been for the dbl play.
You don't recall correctly at all.
1st hitter walked on 5 pitches.
2nd guy bunted into a double play on the first pitch.
3rd guy grounded out to first base on the 4th pitch.
If you want to say they would have executed the bunt, they would have had a guy on third base with two outs.
If you want to say they would have cut down the lead runner on that dog shite bunt and not turned a double play, they would have a had a runner on first base with 2 outs, or they might have even turned a double play on the grounder to first.
No one reached base in that inning other than the walk.
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