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re: Finebaum "Saban Built the Program LSU has Today"
Posted on 11/7/11 at 8:34 pm to speckhead
Posted on 11/7/11 at 8:34 pm to speckhead
Agree that Saban brought us back on the map but like someone said in another thread, Les has maintained the program. Not many coaches can do that. Saban has built Bama's program on fear. Miles players love him as a coach.
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Posted on 11/7/11 at 8:37 pm to speckhead
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As much as i do not like Saban he did bring and leave the program in a great condition. Les came to a football program with all the pieces of the pie put together.
And if somebody, liking Saban or not, just wants to come in and say that: I let it go. That's fine, complimentary and fair. It's when the Sabanistas, in cult-like fashion, repeat a mantra:
"Saban made LSU"
"LSU was nothing before 'The One'"
"Les won with Saban's players"
"LSU was in ashes"
ETC., that I have to step in and make a correction --- for the record.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 8:38 pm to speckhead
even if that were true, it still takes a hell of a coach to keep it going and to win games consistently. I mean there are tons of examples of coaches who take winning programs and run them into the ground....Larry Coker and Miami comes to mind immediately and there are many others
Posted on 11/7/11 at 8:39 pm to tubucoco
that means sabin built the alabama program
Posted on 11/7/11 at 8:40 pm to Shankopotomus
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Larry Coker and Miami comes to mind immediately and there are many others
And PJ was one of the worst about saying Les was a Larry Coker, or even that Coker was better than Les.
That kind of stuff begs for a response.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 8:44 pm to Ace Midnight
if the search function still worked right Peej would already be in here to defend himself 
Posted on 11/7/11 at 8:50 pm to dukke v
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YOU are the FOOL
I will not call you names, I ask you do the same.
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We were in the ASHES stage when Saban got here
We were in the ashes stage when DiNardo go here. When Saban got here we had 2 bad seasons in a row, but 2 good and one decent year before that. A big part of the blame for those bad seasons goes to Lou Tepper. He was the Dc b/c Carl Reese left for Texas. He left b/c Texas paid him a lot more. Its not that GD was not willing to pay assistants, but LSU was not. We could have hired Mack Brown instead of Gerry but Joe Dean didn't want to pay Mack more than he was making at UNC. If it was up to Dean, we would not have fired GD. He also wanted to low ball Saban, but Emmert (and Saban) saw the potential if LSU was willing to committ the resources. Emmert hired Saban. Saban gets a lot of credit, but the biggest share should go to Emmert. Saban could never do what he did without Emmert. Why didn't he win at Mich State at the same level? Why didn't Zook win at Florida? Giving Saban credit for LSU's current success is nothing but an atempt to be little Miles. Since PF has been so critical of Miles, its nothing but his own un willing ness to admit he was wrong about Les.
ETA. Right now LSU is all Miles and Bama is all Saban, and LSU is better.
This post was edited on 11/7/11 at 8:52 pm
Posted on 11/7/11 at 8:52 pm to Shankopotomus
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if the search function still worked right Peej would already be in here to defend himself
I called him out on the Coker>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Miles from about a year ago, during this pre-season or early season and he denied it. I posted a link and he said he must have had too much to drink and took it back.
I give him credit - he has backed off of the completely anti-Miles attitude he used to have. The way he was talking, I thought, maybe, he had stopped drinking the Saban Kool-Aid. But here he is on here again.
I'm just doing my part.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 8:53 pm to Mulat
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Finebaum...
Stopped reading right there
Posted on 11/7/11 at 8:54 pm to Mulat
Bear Bryant built the program Bama is today. What's wrong with building on what others have started. This is how the world works.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 8:55 pm to Geaux Tahel
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Stopped reading right there
Nice. I had the time, so I listened to about 2 hours of the show today, to refill my reservoir of enemy tears.
He's not a very good host and it's not a very good show. But today was somewhat entertaining and I'm glad I made the exception. Someone had Kevinator's call posted on youtube. That's quality entertainment right there (Finebaum having to reason with a complete Gump)
Posted on 11/7/11 at 8:57 pm to JJ27
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Saban absolutely built LSU's program to what it is today.
No. Saban, with his assistants and the administration, brought the program to the level it was in 2004-05. We are now in 2011. Semantics do make a difference.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 9:00 pm to josh336
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Its pretty baffling how many LSU refuse to give Saban at least some credit for where the program is today
It's pretty baffling how many at LSU qualify Les Miles' success by giving some of the credit to Nick Saban.
I swear, Miles could have five undefeated NC seasons in a row and the Sabanophiles would still be babbling about how Saban had a huge role in Miles' success.
I loved the post about the giant statue.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 9:07 pm to Ace Midnight
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This post was edited on 5/26/23 at 1:54 am
Posted on 11/7/11 at 9:07 pm to Mulat
Wonder how long the Gumps will continue to say Saban made the LSU program what it is today? Les Miles has been here 7 years. Another 25 years, and they will still be saying Saban made LSU's program.
If that is what it takes to swallow defeat, more to them. The score remains the same, LSU 9-6.
Go Tigers
If that is what it takes to swallow defeat, more to them. The score remains the same, LSU 9-6.
Go Tigers
Posted on 11/7/11 at 9:09 pm to mrbayoublu
LSU built sabin what he is today
Posted on 11/7/11 at 9:12 pm to chinhoyang
It used to be said that Miles "only wins because he has Saban's players." I think we can all say that Les has completely destroyed that argument.
Now, Gumps are just desperate to say something because not only is Miles winning with his own players, he's now beating Nick coaching Nick's players.
Just relax and enjoy the stupidity...and the tears.
Now, Gumps are just desperate to say something because not only is Miles winning with his own players, he's now beating Nick coaching Nick's players.
Just relax and enjoy the stupidity...and the tears.
This post was edited on 11/7/11 at 9:13 pm
Posted on 11/7/11 at 9:13 pm to Mulat
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Finebaum "Saban Built the Program LSU has Today"
whatever. Miles won more games with sabans players then saban did.
Kinda like what saban did with shulas players.
Posted on 11/7/11 at 9:18 pm to dreaux
where was sabin in 1958 or cannons punt return or thru out the 60's and 70's
Posted on 11/7/11 at 9:19 pm to Ace Midnight
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And he does know football
PJ know football history as well as anyone I've encounter. But he's not good at analysis. I understand why people want to give Saban all the credit, we hadn't won a NC since 58 and he won one. But there so much more that had to happen for Saban to do that here.
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