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re: FDA to require the flu vaccine prove its effectiveness at reducing the flu

Posted on 9/24/26 at 2:07 pm to
Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
Member since Apr 2004
12025 posts
Posted on 9/24/26 at 2:07 pm to
How do you do a randomized placebo-controlled trial on virus whose antigens you have to predict annually?

By the time you have the results and approve your product, it's obsolete.
Posted by Ailsa
Member since May 2020
12688 posts
Posted on 9/24/26 at 2:11 pm to
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I don't recall the FDA requiring the smallpox vaccine prove its effectiveness at reducing smallpox. Probably because vaccines don't reduce diseases, they prevent them altogether.


I know 3 people who got polio after they received the vax.

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This paper explores the safety and efficacy of three key vaccines; ACAM2000, JYNNEOS, and LC16 that are repurposed from smallpox vaccines to combat Mpox. ACAM2000, a replication-competent vaccinia virus vaccine, has shown high effectiveness but is associated with serious adverse reactions, including myocarditis and progressive vaccinia.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12187628/


Posted by JimEverett
Member since May 2020
2738 posts
Posted on 9/24/26 at 2:12 pm to
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How do you do a randomized placebo-controlled trial on virus whose antigens you have to predict annually?

By the time you have the results and approve your product, it's obsolete.


That is exactly what the former FDA head was saying in the OP video.
Posted by gaom23
Member since Oct 2020
283 posts
Posted on 9/24/26 at 2:24 pm to
If the flu vaccine was so good, I don't think they would be handing them out for free.


But for w/e reason, you see places all over the place offering it for free.

Pretty sure it's just some kind of kickback scheme. If it happens to keep you from getting a flu that year it's just an unexpected bonus.


One of the reasons given for free or very low cost flu shots as per the internet:

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Workplace Health Reduced absenteeism: Many employers sponsor on-site or free flu vaccination clinics to keep their workforce healthy and prevent widespread sick leave during peak flu season.


You know what else prevents getting the flu? Working remote from home. But you don't really see any jobs pushing to expand that do we? I'm talking about jobs that are obviously and easily done remote, not jobs where some physical on-site work is needed.



Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
Member since Apr 2004
12025 posts
Posted on 9/24/26 at 2:27 pm to
Yeah, proposed idea is good in theory but unworkable in practice and would be expected to a regulate a product off the market entirely.
This post was edited on 9/24/26 at 2:29 pm
Posted by The_Duke
Member since Nov 2016
4719 posts
Posted on 9/24/26 at 2:28 pm to
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They should have proved effectiveness from the beginning but none of the childhood vax were ever tested on humans...RFKjr finally got them to admit that. Every single drug should be proved before it's allowed on the market but they haven't been as they should.


How old are you?
Posted by SallysHuman
Lady Palmetto Bug
Member since Jan 2025
26045 posts
Posted on 9/24/26 at 3:38 pm to
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How do you do a randomized placebo-controlled trial on virus whose antigens you have to predict annually? By the time you have the results and approve your product, it's obsolete.


This argument can be taken both ways.
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