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re: Fans staying till end of the game vs Players staying till end of season

Posted on 12/1/18 at 12:06 pm to
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
59283 posts
Posted on 12/1/18 at 12:06 pm to
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If you say this you are just a blind lemming following the narrative that has been fed to you.


That’s one of most ridiculous things I’ve heard on here and that’s saying a lot
Posted by Tiger Tracker
Austin,TX
Member since Nov 2015
7240 posts
Posted on 12/1/18 at 12:13 pm to
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That’s one of most ridiculous things I’ve heard on here and that’s saying a lot


It's the same guy who tried to tell me if one player doesn't play thousands of fans won't have a game to watch, 100s of coaches won't have a game to coach, and TV networks will lose millions of dollars.

Seriously...the dude is off his rocker. He called players scum for sitting. A college kid trying to make a better life for him and his family is scum. You can't make this shite up if you tried.
Posted by kkv75
Member since Sep 2017
4890 posts
Posted on 12/1/18 at 1:21 pm to
Two different cases completely
It;s fine. Enjoy what's about to happen in the next five years. NONW of the better players and many of the mediocre players will opt it. Mark it down and let's see.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
59283 posts
Posted on 12/1/18 at 1:42 pm to
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NONW of the better players and many of the mediocre players will opt it. Mark it down and let's see.


Can this be translated to English

The number of players sitting out bowls will probably increase but it will never be every one just like not all go pro after 3 years either.

For the OP I couldn’t care less about fans leaving early
This post was edited on 12/1/18 at 1:43 pm
Posted by Tiger Tracker
Austin,TX
Member since Nov 2015
7240 posts
Posted on 12/1/18 at 2:07 pm to
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NONW of the better players and many of the mediocre players will opt it. Mark it down and let's see


This just shows me how little you truly understand about why players sit. They are at a point where their draft stock can literally go no higher if they play. The game has ZERO benefit to them. Yet you're convinced that this will apply to

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many of the mediocre players


although I shouldn't be surprised at this extremist talk by someone who calls a kid trying to better his life "scum".
This post was edited on 12/1/18 at 2:08 pm
Posted by Metaloctopus
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2018
6141 posts
Posted on 12/1/18 at 7:14 pm to
Anyone who believes that walking out on your team before the last game of the season (or even earlier in the year) because you're afraid you might get hurt, is an ok thing to do, I would suggest to them that maybe they should reevaluate their own lives.

You don't get where you want to go by bowing out. People can try to draw an imaginary line where they believe they can invent a difference between this scenario, and any other, but there is no difference. This isn't a matter of someone sitting out because he already HAS an injury, and is being advised not to play. We're talking about guys who just think it's cool to walk away whenever they feel like it.

That kind of attitude is not rewarded in life, period. Quit talking about these guys like they are children. These are young men, and I was their age not very long ago at all. They are not exempt to show such a lack of honor. That's the problem with too many people these days. There is no sense of honor. Only excuses on top of excuses to make themselves feel better about themselves or someone else.
This post was edited on 12/1/18 at 7:19 pm
Posted by noonan
Nassau Bay, TX
Member since Aug 2005
36913 posts
Posted on 12/1/18 at 8:47 pm to
The player is here to be able to go pro. They are preparing themselves for a career in the NFL. I went to LSU to be able to get a job as an engineer.

I guess, as a fan, if you are at the game so that you can go home then so be it.
This post was edited on 12/1/18 at 8:49 pm
Posted by TigahJay
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2015
10691 posts
Posted on 12/1/18 at 8:49 pm to
Fans are paying to go to the game...they can leave whenever they want.

Players get a scholarship + room/board + meal plan + stipends + a bunch of other free shite ...they should finish out the season.
This post was edited on 12/1/18 at 8:50 pm
Posted by Metaloctopus
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2018
6141 posts
Posted on 12/1/18 at 9:09 pm to
That's right, you went to school to get a degree... And you had to FINISH school, didn't you?

Nobody else gets what they want by doing whatever they want. That's the point here.
Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
94636 posts
Posted on 12/1/18 at 9:16 pm to
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That's right, you went to school to get a degree... And you had to FINISH school, didn't you? 

Only because that field of choice requires a degree to get a job and to advance in that field. The NFL only requires that the player be 3 years removed from high school. Players should do whatever is in their best interest for them and their family. If that means skipping a meaningless bowl, we as fans shouldn't hold that against them.
Posted by Stephen1979
Member since Oct 2016
5754 posts
Posted on 12/1/18 at 9:21 pm to
I think it's awesome that so many college football players are sitting out bowl preparation and games to focus on final exams
Posted by Metaloctopus
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2018
6141 posts
Posted on 12/1/18 at 9:25 pm to
The bowl is not meaningless to their teammates. If you had any honor at all, you'd understand the importance of comradery and common respect for others.

And with that in mind, it doesn't matter if we, as fans, hold it against them or not. It should matter to the player that he is letting his team down.

But players are so selfish, and people, in general, are so selfish these days, that it's all about "getting theirs" at the expense of everyone else. It's not a respectable trait to live by.

Off the top of my head, I can think of two guys who sat out so as not to get hurt. Leonard Fournette and Jedeveon Clowney. They are always hurt in the NFL, now. I'm not happy that they get hurt, and I'm not saying they are being punished, per se, but it highlights a point that I made earlier that you tend to reap what you sow.
Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
94636 posts
Posted on 12/1/18 at 9:28 pm to
These are kids that are coming from impoverished backgrounds (in a lot of cases) that have a chance to change their futures for their entire family for this lifetime and perhaps future generations as well. Of course they're being selfish. I guarantee their teammates understand.
Posted by Metaloctopus
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2018
6141 posts
Posted on 12/1/18 at 9:36 pm to
These aren't kids. These are young men. You earn your keep. Finish what you start. Otherwise, your problems will follow you everywhere you go. Those rookie contracts burn through quickly.

If you lack the faith to believe that you will be taken care of if you do the right thing by others, then you aren't going anywhere.
This post was edited on 12/1/18 at 9:37 pm
Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
94636 posts
Posted on 12/1/18 at 9:41 pm to
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Those rookie contracts burn through quickly.

All the more reason to make sure you get paid as much as possible. This isn't some cosmic karma conundrum. It's a simple risk analysis and the easy conclusion is don't subject yourself to injury if you're not playing for a championship.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
59283 posts
Posted on 12/1/18 at 10:03 pm to
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The bowl is not meaningless to their teammates. If you had any honor at all, you'd understand the importance of comradery and common respect for others.


This is a tad over dramatic

At the end of the day football is nothing more than an extracurricular activity. Acting like this is some important statement about character and importance is stupid. The bowls are an anachronism, they were created as an exhibition in a time when it took days to get to by train and only a few teams made it. As recently as the late 90s there were half as many bowls.
If these games lead to something and were played immediately after the season, like other sports you wouldn’t have this phenomenon. No one skips the NCAA tournament, but waiting a month to play in TV filler because “tradition”. if someone skips who cares.
This post was edited on 12/1/18 at 10:10 pm
Posted by Metaloctopus
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2018
6141 posts
Posted on 12/2/18 at 1:55 am to
It's not dramatic at all. To you and I, it's a game. When you are actually ON the team, it is much more than that. Not to say it's the most important thing in the world, but when it's what you do, and what you intend to make your profession, what you do speaks volumes about your character. If you cannot see that, then suffice it to say I would not want to be teammates with you. No offense.

And I am old enough to remember when there were about 25 bowl games. I agree that most bowls are stupid. But that's a different argument outside of the teams who play in them. It's a chance to suit up and go do what you do, with your teammates. It's not any less meaningful a game for the players than if it were the last game of the regular season, and your record is 0-11.
This post was edited on 12/2/18 at 1:57 am
Posted by Metaloctopus
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2018
6141 posts
Posted on 12/2/18 at 2:02 am to
The rookie contract does not set you up for life. Making selfish decisions to try to get paid is not any better than gambling degenerates, looking to get rich quick. There is a right way and a wrong way to go about your business. Sometimes the right thing seems less easy, but it always pays off in the end.

If you don't agree with that, then you and I clearly don't share the same ideals, and wouldn't agree on much of anything. That's all there is to it.

Have yourself a good night.
This post was edited on 12/2/18 at 2:04 am
Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
94636 posts
Posted on 12/2/18 at 2:22 am to
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The rookie contract does not set you up for life.

bullshite.
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Based on the NFL rookie wage scale for 2017, per Spotrac, the total value of Fournette's deal is $27.15 million with a $17.9 million signing bonus. 

Now compare that to Nick Chubb in the second round.
quote:

Nick Chubb signed a four year contract with the Cleveland Browns worth $7,383,094 on June 4, 2018. Chubb received $5,297,114 in guarantees including a $3,547,924 signing bonus.

And Alvin Kamara in the 3rd round.
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Third-round running back Alvin Kamara agreed to a $3.89 million deal with a $972,772 full-guaranteed signing bonus. 

So, let's say for hypothetical scenario Fournette stayed, played in the bowl game and got hurt and slid to just second round. He would stand to lose about $20M.
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There is a right way and a wrong way to go about your business.

Your bringing up stuff like business ethics when the players aren't business partners with the school. If they were breaking some sort of contract, then of course you would be correct.
Posted by Metaloctopus
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2018
6141 posts
Posted on 12/2/18 at 2:31 am to
I'm not talking about business ethics. I'm talking about everyday ethics. That includes everything.

I don't think you are aware of the massive amounts of taxes you have to pay when you become a millionaire. If you are smart with money, being a first round draft pick should set you up quite well. But these guys almost always think that they never have to work again, and buy a bunch of expensive houses and cars, etc.

Then they flame out in the league, and the taxes bury them. People who show a tendency to make selfish decisions are the same people who lack the foresight to plan for the future. It's all about getting rich quick and trying to take the easy way out. It doesn't work in the long run. I've seen it over and over. You don't want to go there in this conversation. You just want to see everything at face value. Be my guest.
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