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Posted on 11/19/09 at 1:36 pm to cubsgrace
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the U.S. and it's successful corporations are prime examples that democracy and listening to the people that are low on the totem pole is benefial in any system. there is a reason that businesses do surveys and want to know the opinions of their customers. A coach should also want to listen to opinions outside of his own and his staff.
are you really comparing democracy to football????

Posted on 11/19/09 at 1:37 pm to Rickety Cricket
Wow, your logic astounds me. He makes some changes and therefore he is not a stubborn man.
I stopped at a red light today, therefore I am a model driver that never breaks traffic laws.
I stopped at a red light today, therefore I am a model driver that never breaks traffic laws.
Posted on 11/19/09 at 1:37 pm to cubsgrace
I've never been to a game and agreed with the "expert" fans sitting around me, so I can't imagine (or respect) a coach that would make decisions based on fan reaction. The way you please fans is by producing wins...period.
Posted on 11/19/09 at 1:39 pm to cubsgrace
This is fun.
First off....I will say that I think a coach should never let fans dicate the decision he makes....never.
Second, please, please give us a short resume of your experience with the game of football - every played, ever coached, what?
First off....I will say that I think a coach should never let fans dicate the decision he makes....never.
Second, please, please give us a short resume of your experience with the game of football - every played, ever coached, what?
Posted on 11/19/09 at 1:39 pm to cubsgrace
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Wow, your logic astounds me.
whoever you're talking to, i wouldn't be offended coming from you.
i would pray we wouldn't think the same and kill myself if we did.
Posted on 11/19/09 at 1:40 pm to NorthTiger
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Second, please, please give us a short resume of your experience with the game of football - every played, ever coached, what?
Posted on 11/19/09 at 1:44 pm to NorthTiger
Wait, I misspoke. I said a coach should never let fans dictate his decision. I spoke too hastely. In high school I think the head coach should let all paying booster club members influence, if not dictate his decisions. In college it should be different....only the big money giver fans should have input into coaching decisions.
Posted on 11/19/09 at 1:47 pm to ctsully
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The way you please fans is by producing wins...period.
I totally disagree. This is an entertainment business. Can you honestly say that everytime we win, you have been completely satisfied and gotten your money's worth?
I may in the vast minority but I have felt better about some loses than some wins. I would rather play a great game and barely lose to Florida than play a dismal game and barely beat ULL. I'm in disbelief that I'm the only one here that expects more than just wins.
Posted on 11/19/09 at 1:51 pm to NorthTiger
I'm not saying that booing should generate a reactionary decision by a coach, but the coach should hear the boos, think about why they are booing, and at least want to make the fans happy. If he really thinks that the fans are asking for something that will hurt the team than obviously he should not go along with them, but can we agree that sometimes coaches are stubborn and stick to something that doesn't work for too long? Can we agree that sometimes fans beg and plead for the coach to make a change and sometimes that does influence his decision and works out for the better?
Posted on 11/19/09 at 1:51 pm to cubsgrace
I'm with you cubby. I'll take a good loss over a bad win any day. In fact, let me go 0-12 with good losses and I will be one satsified fan.....as long as the coach listens to my input, that is.
Posted on 11/19/09 at 2:05 pm to NorthTiger
Some of you say that all you want is for us to win. First of all, I don't believe any of you that say this. If we beat every crappy team we played by a score of 3 to 2, you would be fricken stupid to come on here and say that the coaches should be commmmended for winning those games. Is this really how you all feel? If we win, that is the only thing that matters to you. You have no complaints and the coaches shouldn't have to hear it from fans, because fans are stupid.
Posted on 11/19/09 at 2:05 pm to cubsgrace
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I'm in disbelief that I'm the only one here that expects more than just wins.
You're not the only one who expects more than "just wins". We all want LSU to look good in the process, too. But I also expect the head coach to take a longer view, for the good of the program and the players, than just satisfying the transient whims of the most vocal of the paying fans in the stadium.
If Les Miles believes its in the best interest of the team, and Jarett Lee, to try to get Lee back into the picture by letting him play against La Tech, a team LSU should be able to beat at less than their best, I can accept that. If Miles thinks protecting Jefferson from the horrors of what happened to Lee last year, when he was thrown to the wolves way too early, by running a conservative offense, I can accept that as well. These are the decisions a head coach has to make.
In the meantime, I'll take ugly wins over pretty losses any day.
Posted on 11/19/09 at 2:07 pm to kgcTigerFan
at least you make some sense. i'll give you that over the others on this thread.
Posted on 11/19/09 at 2:07 pm to cubsgrace
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I'm totally against booing a college player but when you pay big bucks to watch a game and the coach (who makes millions of dollars) makes a terrible decision, fans have the right to boo him. Miles says that nothing good can come from booing. I thinks that is bullshite. If the coach hears 75% of the crowd booing something that isn't working, he should make an adjustment. I love Miles and I want him to stay at LSU but his stubborness is a big fault of his.
You mean if 65,000 drunken people that don't know diddly about football want Miles to change something, he should? I'd want him gone if he listened to the boo birds!!!
Posted on 11/19/09 at 2:14 pm to Carlos Santannaclaus
is it better to not know diddly or to know diddly about football?
Posted on 11/19/09 at 2:15 pm to Carlos Santannaclaus
Cubsgrace,
How old are you?
Posted on 11/19/09 at 2:15 pm to cubsgrace
We agree on another point cubby. I don't think we need to view coaches as kings appointed by God. Rather, I view coaches more like disciples of God.....but certainly not Kings.
Posted on 11/19/09 at 2:33 pm to cubsgrace
I think we should be able to vote people off this board. You would be gone.
Posted on 11/19/09 at 2:35 pm to NorthTiger
Believe me, I too am pissed off at the way we are winning (and losing for that matter). I am not the biggest Les Miles fan. I don't like the way he goes about doing things. But you can bet your @ss that I'll take Les Miles over any of the idiots booing in the stands.
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