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Posted on 3/9/16 at 9:14 am to Alt26
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But hey, he was awful this season. I mean, he only:
Averaged more points per game than any LSU player in the last 20 years except Marcus Thornton
Averaged more rebounds per game than any LSU player since Shaq in 1992 (24 years)
Averaged more assist per game than any LSU player since Randy Livingston in 1996 (20 years)
ALL IN THE SAME SEASON!
Agreed, but you left off one key record that often gets swept under the rug. He is only 3 turnovers away from tying Tack Minor's career high of 108 turnovers in season.
Posted on 3/9/16 at 9:36 am to shaqdaddy
It's ESPN, they SHOULD be ashamed of a lot of things but they aren't. They're just ESPN, same as always.
Posted on 3/9/16 at 11:08 am to Ryan3232
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I cant wait for this basketball year to be over with..
Preach it brother preach.
Posted on 3/9/16 at 1:13 pm to shaqdaddy
I definitely agree.
Building a kid up to make a headline by dissing him is fricking garbage.
Building a kid up to make a headline by dissing him is fricking garbage.
Posted on 3/9/16 at 1:17 pm to T
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108 turnovers in season.
While this is not good, I dont know that you can point directly at this stat as a reason for several of our losses.
Posted on 3/9/16 at 1:38 pm to Carville
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It's been TWENTY years since a CBB player has >15 ppg > 10 rpg and 5 asst per game. And you see nothing wrong?
His stats are very impressive. Against a pretty weak conference... But still impressive... I am thinking ESPN is trying to save face by overhyping Ben way too much.In ESPN'S eyes ben let them down and made them look bad for NOT taking over games at crucial times.... I love Ben and he needs some work on parts of his game...But tell me... How many "WOW" Moments did he have this year??? Not that many for a player that ESPN was expecting from..... I see that he made third team All Amerian... Not bad and I would argue he should have made 2nd team,...
Posted on 3/9/16 at 1:54 pm to T
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greed, but you left off one key record that often gets swept under the rug. He is only 3 turnovers away from tying Tack Minor's career high of 108 turnovers in season.
Yeah turnovers happen when youre a freshman and you are your teams best scorer, facilitator,and rebounder.
Posted on 3/9/16 at 1:55 pm to Eman5805
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This only makes the LeBron comparisons more accurate. It's eerie almost.
The Lebron comparisons were dumb to begin with. Simmons was mever the offensive threat that Lebron was. Lebron's 2nd year out of highschool he was droppin 27 a game in the league.
Posted on 3/9/16 at 1:59 pm to atltiger6487
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Our issue is that Ben didn't lead and elevate this team to even a decent level.
Of course. Some bullshite that cant be measured. I guess Simmons was supoosed to produce at a higher level than any player in sec history.
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everybody admits he had great stats. That's not our complaint.
Again this isnt football. Stats in basketball mean real productions. Ill take 18ppg ,12rpg,5apg,and 1.8 spg over some scrub with this bullshite immeasurable shite you want.
Posted on 3/9/16 at 2:03 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Yeah turnovers happen when youre a freshman and you are your teams best scorer, facilitator,and rebounder.
I agree here... He was the main ballhandler[which was a mistake IMO]. I will agree that with a better coach that Ben may have had better stats OR the same stats but the team would be a lock for the tourney... I se that they may be a 6th seed in the NIT and have to travel to BYU.... That's sad and for some reason it looks like they are punishimg LSU for some reason...
BTW. How you doing today Ricky??????
Posted on 3/9/16 at 2:40 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Our issue is that Ben didn't lead and elevate this team to even a decent level.
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Of course. Some bullshite that cant be measured.
True, it can't be measured, but can easily be observed. I watched most of our games this year and honestly can't tell you a game (maybe Vandy, but I didn't see that one) where Ben took over late in the game with a series of big baskets and/or defensive stops/steals.
I saw Buddy Hield play exactly one time, and he took over late with big basket after big basket, and led his team to a big comeback victory, on the road.
Yes, Hield is one of the best players in the nation, but Ben is supposed to be as well, and I wanted to see him TAKE OVER WHEN WE NEEDED HIM. I just flat-out didn't see that, either with production on the court or emotionally, where he willed his team to victory. It just wasn't there.
So, while that may not be measurable, it's easily observable.
Posted on 3/9/16 at 2:46 pm to Brodyman12321
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Our expectations were way to high regarding Simmons and rightfully so. We have never gotten the number 1 player in the country before. He just turned out to be a bust. It happens.
This post was edited on 3/9/16 at 2:47 pm
Posted on 3/9/16 at 5:33 pm to dukke v
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How you doing today Ricky??????
Perpetually pissed about something.
Posted on 3/9/16 at 8:04 pm to atltiger6487
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Our issue is that Ben didn't lead and elevate this team to even a decent level.
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Of course. Some bullshite that cant be measured.
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True, it can't be measured, but can easily be observed.
It won't convince anyone who thinks stats tell them everything but a couple of simple ways that LSU could have been better this year may have resulted in Simmons having slightly less gaudy stats:
1) That he simply post up more often (or have more patience when he did post up) and fill the lanes on the break instead always coming back for the ball when another capable guard already had it. Instead, he was dead set on showcasing his wares as point forward at every opportunity and probably accumulated some stats in so doing that wasn't really what LSU as a team needed most.
For example, this could have easily led to Simmons ending up with fewer assists (especially to 3 point shooters) but LSU would have been much more difficult to guard as a team, not to mention creating foul trouble for a lot of teams without much front court depth in the college game.
It's not that Simmons coming out to pass around the perimeter necessarily led to LSU tearing it up from 3 point range. In fact, they were about the same as the year before (even the same players).
This isn't even to blame Simmons as he's just a kid who wants the ball. However, a firmer hand in coaching (if he would have accepted it) may have seen his assist numbers spread out among team mates and LSU been better for it.
Another area is defense. Again, LSU played awful fundamental defense so it's not to blame Simmons for doing what everyone was doing as well. However, one could imagine him possibly getting a few less rebounds/steals if the team simply played sounder fundamental defense, keeping their man in front, not reaching in for steals etc and other teams would have scored a whole lot less points.
Again no huge knock on Simmons but just a couple of examples that may have led to a little bit less gaudy individual stat lines but may have helped the main stat players are supposedly playing for which is the final score.
Posted on 3/9/16 at 8:19 pm to atltiger6487
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Yes, Hield is one of the best players in the nation, but Ben is supposed to be as well, and I wanted to see him TAKE OVER WHEN WE NEEDED HIM
He is more of a facilitator.
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So, while that may not be measurable, it's easily observabl
Except no it's not because the eye test is subjective as hell.
Posted on 3/9/16 at 8:20 pm to dukke v
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BTW. How you doing today Ricky??????
Just being the loud,cocky, and obnoxious cajun that i am.you?
Posted on 3/9/16 at 8:49 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Just being the loud,cocky, and obnoxious cajun that i am
You got that right....
The eye test is very important to NBA GM'S,,,
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