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re: ESPN guys says Ridley was a stretch

Posted on 4/30/11 at 11:02 am to
Posted by LSUDad
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Posted on 4/30/11 at 11:02 am to
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Ridley was projected as a 6th rounder


Nope, I didn't talk with anyone who said he was a 6th. rounder. I did see someone had him in the 4th. I did talk with a draft guy I know, he had Ridley moving up and Mallett moving down (Guess he was right). With both players, he said a little, but with the draft, a little can mean a lot.

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ran a 4.8


Everything I've got has him at a 4.65/40.

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you guys don't think he's a stretch in the 3rd?



I'll see if I can get your info to the Pats front office.

People might want to keep an eye on the Pats drafting, year end and year out they do as good a job as anyone in the NFL. Last year in the 3rd. round they took a player from Fla., Jermaine Cunningham, converted him from a end to a LB'er. He played in 15 games and started 11. The guy ended up with 34 tackles, one sack and 2 FF. Maybe he was a stretch last year also?
Posted by Mitchell613
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Posted on 4/30/11 at 12:19 pm to
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The NFL is an Equal Opportunity Employer


Not really true at all. A first round pick is given many more opportunities than a mid-to-late round pick.
Posted by tduecen
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Posted on 4/30/11 at 12:28 pm to
Do people honestly believe Ridley will come in and beat out BenJarvus Green-Ellis?

Can we say homerism...

Oh and for people proclaiming Bill a draft Guru, he has had plenty of misses as well, not saying Ridley will be, but his track record isn't as great as people are trying to pimp it out.

Ridley/Vereen being on the team means Faulk is probably gone as well.
Posted by LSUDad
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Posted on 4/30/11 at 12:32 pm to
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Not really true at all. A first round pick is given many more opportunities than a mid-to-late round pick.


Kind of like the starter on a college team?

I can show a list of 1st round players that didn't last two years in the Pro's.
It doesn't take a good team long to find out who can play and who can't.

Posted by Mitchell613
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Posted on 4/30/11 at 12:33 pm to
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I can show a list of 1st round players that didn't last two years in the Pro's.
It doesn't take a good team long to find out who can play and who can't.



Of course you can. I can show you a list of 5th-7th round picks who didn't make it out of training camp. Can you do the same for 1st-2nd round picks?
Posted by LSUDad
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Posted on 4/30/11 at 12:44 pm to
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Do people honestly believe Ridley will come in and beat out BenJarvus Green-Ellis?


Might not have to, he just needs to make the team.

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Oh and for people proclaiming Bill a draft Guru, he has had plenty of misses as well,


A lot less than most.

His 5 year drafts have been up there with the Steelers, Green Bay and the Colts. His last five drafts have produced 6 starters and 12 backups. His last years 1st round pick had a team high 7 ints.
Posted by AtlantaLSUfan
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Posted on 4/30/11 at 12:47 pm to
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BenJarvus Green-Ellis


Free-agent
Posted by tduecen
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Posted on 4/30/11 at 12:50 pm to
And you think New England would let a 26 year old running back who only had 12 starts coming off a 1000 yards season go?

It isn't like he is Kevin Faulk, Fred Taylor, or Sammy Morris being on the wrong side of 30.


Posted by tduecen
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Posted on 4/30/11 at 12:54 pm to
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he just needs to make the team
Which he should since this signals that Taylor/Faulk probably won't be back next season.

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is last five drafts have produced 6 starters and 12 backups.
He has also made 50 picks over the last 5 drafts, I am willing to bet that is a hell of a lot more than any other team. Stocking up draft picks and then selecting 10 players a draft he is gonna get at least 2-3 players a year stick with the team.
Posted by LSUDad
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Posted on 4/30/11 at 1:03 pm to
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He has also made 50 picks over the last 5 drafts,


Not quite.

But like I said, his grade is up there with the better teams in the league.

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Stocking up draft picks


Thats part of doing well in the draft, all part of the game.
Posted by tduecen
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Posted on 4/30/11 at 1:05 pm to
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Not quite.

2010
1.27 DB Devin McCourty Rutgers from DAL
2.10 TE Rob Gronkowski Arizona from CHI through TB and OAK
2.21 LB Jermaine Cunningham Florida
2.30 LB Brandon Spikes Florida from MIN through HOU
3.26 WR Taylor Price Ohio from DAL
4.15 TE Aaron Hernandez Florida from SF through DEN
5.19 P Zoltan Mesko Michigan from HOU
6.36 OL Ted Larsen North Carolina State Compensatory Pick
7.01 OL Thomas Welch Vanderbilt from STL through WAS
7.40 DL Brandon Deaderick Alabama Compensatory Pick
7.41 DL Kade Weston Georgia Compensatory Pick
7.43 QB Zac Robinson Oklahoma State Compensatory Pick

2009
2.02 DB Patrick Chung Oregon from KC
2.08 DL Ron Brace Boston College from OAK
2.09 DB Darius Butler Connecticut from GB
2.26 OL Sebastian Vollmer Houston
3.19 WR Brandon Tate North Carolina from NYJ through GB
3.33 LB Tyrone McKenzie South Florida compensatory pick
4.23 OL Rich Ohrnberger Penn State from BAL
5.34 OL George Bussey Louisville compensatory pick
6.25 LS Jake Ingram Hawaii from BAL
6.34 DL Myron Pryor Kentucky compensatory pick
7.23 WR Julian Edelman Kent State from MIA through JAC
7.25 DL Darryl Richard Georgia Tech

2008
1.10 LB Jerod Mayo Tennessee from NO
2.31 DB Terrence Wheatley Colorado
3.15 LB Shawn Crable Michigan from NO
3.31 QB Kevin O'Connell San Diego State
4.30 DB Jonathan Wilhite Auburn
5.18 WR Matt Slater UCLA from TB
6.31 LB Bo Ruud Nebraska

2007
1.24 DB Brandon Meriweather Miami from SEA
4.28 DL Kareem Brown Miami
5.34 OL Clint Oldenburg Colorado State compensatory pick
6.06 LB Justin Rogers Southern Methodist from ARI
6.28 DB Mike Richardson Notre Dame
6.34 RB Justise Hairston Central Connecticut compensatory pick
6.35 OL Corey Hilliard Oklahoma State compensatory pick
7.01 LB Oscar Lua Southern California from OAK
7.37 OL Mike Elgin Iowa compensatory pick

2006
1.21 RB Laurence Maroney Minnesota
2.04 WR Chad Jackson Florida from GB; trade 2006 2.20, 3.11
3.22 TE David Thomas Texas
4.09 TE Garrett Mills Tulsa from DET
4.21 K Stephen Gostkowski Memphis
5.03 OL Ryan O'Callaghan California from OAK
6.22 DL Jeremy Mincey Florida
6.36 OL Dan Stevenson Notre Dame compensatory pick
6.37 DL Le Kevin Smith Nebraska compensatory pick
7.21 DB Willie Andrews Baylor


Looks like 50 to me over past 5 drafts

Posted by LSUDad
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Posted on 4/30/11 at 1:09 pm to
Guess I missed a couple.......



Bills like Price LeBlanc, "Tradin Country Boy."

This post was edited on 4/30/11 at 1:11 pm
Posted by tduecen
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Posted on 4/30/11 at 1:13 pm to
The point I am trying to make, if all teams are getting 10 drafts a year, they are going to pull a few starters/back ups and people will forget some nondescript player who failed to make the team.

Bill has had many hits and many misses but drafting that many it is easier to focus on the hits than misses.

New England has been great at stocking up on draft picks so hopefully they grab a player late in rounds who makes the team as a starter or back up but their success rate going by the 18 players you listed would be 36% hell I think I could hit on 36% my draft picks

Hope Stevan does well in the NFL but same time it is bittersweet since Faulk is probably on his way out now.
Posted by LSUDad
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Posted on 4/30/11 at 1:16 pm to
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Hope Stevan does well in the NFL but same time it is bittersweet since Faulk is probably on his way out now.


This, Faulk has been talking about getting into coaching. Best of luck to both.

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hell I think I could hit on 36% my draft picks



Posted by tduecen
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Posted on 4/30/11 at 1:19 pm to
Don't me.... if you were only successful 36% of time it wouldn't be good either...

Gimme 10 picks next year and I can make at least 3 either a starter or back up.
Posted by LSUDad
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Posted on 4/30/11 at 1:22 pm to
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Gimme 10 picks next year and I can make at least 3 either a starter or back up.


You go in draft order? Want to do this next year, remind me......I'm in........

Guess I'll buy the beer?
Posted by tduecen
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Posted on 4/30/11 at 1:26 pm to
Hell yeah, we should do this...
Then we can keep the date and see who can do better than NFL GM...

We will pick a number 1-32 and that will be our draft order for 7 rounds...

Now sure how we can do 10 picks and no in mood to sit down and work out the math for it.

We will go in draft order, selecting only players still available and see how many end up being starters/back-ups/contributors to their respective teams.
Posted by LSUDad
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Posted on 5/1/11 at 9:36 am to
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Hell yeah, we should do this...
Then we can keep the date and see who can do better than NFL GM...


In...........
Posted by boxcar willie
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Posted on 5/1/11 at 9:54 am to
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ran a 4.8 and you guys don't think he's a stretch in the 3rd


ran a 4.67 at the combine. Ingram ran a 4.62. Ridley is a bigger back than Ingram, and did much better than Ingram in all the other drills at the combine. Ridley was not a stretch in the 3rd round. Further more, Ridley had a very productive senior season running against defenses that were stacking the line against LSU. He was LSU's main and most dependable weapon for the offense last season.
This post was edited on 5/1/11 at 10:00 am
Posted by Paulu
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Posted on 5/1/11 at 10:33 am to
Love it when people bang on GMs and Head Coaches that have Super Bowl Rings. Bad enough to beat on the Saints after they got a ring.
And how the freak could anyone knock the Patriots organization?
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