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re: Ensminger: "I have no ego. I want help.”
Posted on 6/25/19 at 11:02 am to bencoleman
Posted on 6/25/19 at 11:02 am to bencoleman
quote:We know Ben. Jerry Sullivan was the PGC last year, and all off-season there were threads on how he was going to significantly improve LSU's passing game. We all saw how that turned out, and Jerry was let go within a year.
LSU isn't the first team to employ a passing game coordinator. It's not the first time that LSU has employed a passing game coordinator. There's some extreme ignorance on display in this thread.
It is funny though. In a about a year's time, the cherriO's have gone from pumping up a 73 yr old with 30+ yrs of NFL experience, to pumping up a 29 yr old with less than 5 yrs of total offensive experience. And both "were/are the guy" to fix the offense.
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Posted on 6/25/19 at 11:05 am to Bayou_Tiger_225
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We know Ben. Jerry Sullivan was the PGC last year, and all off-season there were threads on how he was going to significantly improve LSU's passing game. We all saw how that turned out, and Jerry was let go within a year.
don't forget by the end of the season, the propaganda bus had rolled right over Jerry. He went from the savior with all of his experience to the old coot that was to blame for all of the max protect.
Posted on 6/25/19 at 11:09 am to BilJ
Saban would totally hire E and then use him to groom a complete unknown and inexperienced career low-level assistant to take over his offense.
Posted on 6/25/19 at 11:10 am to Goldrush25
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You get downvoted to hell, but no one can answer why we didn't just go and get the guy for this offense that the defensive line coach says he wants so much
So you want 4 coordinators in 4 years. You want another coordinator to come in and start over. Most coordinators are going to want to bring in their own people. That's not needed at LSU right now. You would complain no matter what Ed did. You and the other malcontents on this board.
Posted on 6/25/19 at 11:12 am to bencoleman
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So you want 4 coordinators in 4 years.
We're going on 5 in 5 years, what's the difference?
2016 - E (but with Miles plays)
2017 - Canada
2018 - E (with his own plays)
2019 - E (with Brady's plays)
2020- Brady
Isn't that the plan?
Posted on 6/25/19 at 11:12 am to bencoleman
quote:
So you want 4 coordinators in 4 years.
No, we wanted him to hire the right guy the first time.
Or the second.
Not some half measure GA labeled as an NFL wiz kid to appease the idiots that don’t realize he just doesn’t want to say he needs a third crack at it.
Posted on 6/25/19 at 11:15 am to Jack Crevalle
handing the keys over to Joe Brady......?
Are you drunk?
Get off of Joe's jock strap.
he coached in the saints organization from 2017-2018. Penn State from 15-16 and was the linebackers coach at freaking william and mary from 13-14.
Some of you guys make me chuckle with this nonsense..........
Are you drunk?
Get off of Joe's jock strap.
he coached in the saints organization from 2017-2018. Penn State from 15-16 and was the linebackers coach at freaking william and mary from 13-14.
Some of you guys make me chuckle with this nonsense..........
Posted on 6/25/19 at 11:16 am to bencoleman
quote:It that so much worse than 3 coordinators in 4 years, with the 4th year being a quasi OC who installs a new system and offers play suggestions to the "actual" OC who then decides whether to use them or not?
So you want 4 coordinators in 4 years.
Posted on 6/25/19 at 11:19 am to tigburls
nail on the head.
Posted on 6/25/19 at 11:23 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
the reason Clemson has been so successful without #1 classes every year is b/c they have a system and recruit to that system
Are we talking about QB or their whole offense? Because it has proven that they recruit some dudes that transcend any system. Check that tape
Posted on 6/25/19 at 11:23 am to Bayou_Tiger_225
quote:
It is funny though. In a about a year's time, the cherriO's have gone from pumping up a 73 yr old with 30+ yrs of NFL experience
How is that a bad thing? We had major issues in terms of defections, inexperience, and injuries. The max protect stuff was the easiest attempt at protecting the QB. Installing the spread, midway through the season, with a "new" QB, and decimated O line would have been foolish imho (and I wanted the spread). Was he the answer, no. Would he have been my choice...no.
But I'm not sure how NFL experience equates to a bad thing, especially with a pro-style offense.
to pumping up a 29 yr old with less than 5 yrs of total offensive experience.
Under Sean Payton for a portion of it. The Saints seem to have a pretty decent offense from time to time. Perhaps he learned something from them, even in his limited role.
And both "were/are the guy" to fix the offense.
Sullivan wasn't the guy.
Time will tell on the Brady hire.
FWIW, I am glad we didn't use the myriad of negatives (he is young, inexperienced, coached in the "Big Slow" etc.) that could have been applied to Aranda to stop us from hiring him. I think he has been a pretty good hire.
Posted on 6/25/19 at 11:24 am to Bayou_Tiger_225
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It that so much worse than 3 coordinators in 4 years, with the 4th year being a quasi OC who installs a new system and offers play suggestions to the "actual" OC who then decides whether to use them or not
when you say this out loud, I can't believe how many are on board with it
Posted on 6/25/19 at 11:24 am to bencoleman
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So you want 4 coordinators in 4 years. You want another coordinator to come in and start over. Most coordinators are going to want to bring in their own people.
I want us to hire the right guy and be done with it and not have to bring in hired guns to teach our coordinator how to run a modern offense. If that means scrapping it and starting over, so be it.
Either way, we have who we have for this year. No sense in speculating about making a change until we see how this "new" offense works and produces.
Posted on 6/25/19 at 11:25 am to jimmy the leg
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FWIW, I am glad we didn't use the myriad of negatives (he is young, inexperienced, coached in the "Big Slow" etc.) that could have been applied to Aranda to stop us from hiring him. I think he has been a pretty good hire.
terrible example is terrible....Dave, while young still had a much better resume with a track record of coordinating successful Ds. There was actual evidence to believe he was a damn good DC because well he had actually been one. Try again.
This post was edited on 6/25/19 at 11:26 am
Posted on 6/25/19 at 11:29 am to lsu2006
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I want us to hire the right guy and be done with it and not have to bring in hired guns to teach our coordinator how to run a modern offense. If that means scrapping it and starting over, so be it.
I think Steve does a good job for the most part...with the exception of the spread. Bringing in a "hired gun" aka, an assistant seems prudent.
Posted on 6/25/19 at 11:30 am to bencoleman
quote:All I care about is a clean, efficient balanced football staff & athletes. Football players who are poised count the most of all.
So you want 4 coordinators in 4 years.
POISED:
having a composed and self-assured manner.
Posted on 6/25/19 at 11:30 am to Lester Earl
quote:
Are we talking about QB or their whole offense? Because it has proven that they recruit some dudes that transcend any system. Check that tape
Well, they had to start somewhere. At one point they were not getting the #1 QB in the country and they were still wrecking teams. They were able to start getting the Deshaun Watsons and Trevor Lawrences because they proved they know how to run an offense system. They didn't get the studs first.
Any coach can win with great players. The true worth of a coach is what he does with second tier players.
This post was edited on 6/25/19 at 11:32 am
Posted on 6/25/19 at 11:31 am to BilJ
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There was actual evidence to believe he was a damn good DC because well he had actually been one.
I didn't say otherwise. I'm simply pointing out that there were people on here that were not a fan of the hire because of what I listed. I liked the hire of Aranda. I thought that was clear.
Posted on 6/25/19 at 11:31 am to TigerLunatik
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Ben, you helped me out this morning, buddy. When I run and start getting tired I try to think of something to squeeze another mile out. For some reason this morning I thought of how fricking strong you are and how hard you're fighting and it got me through about another mile and a half. So, thanks and I love ya, man. Hope today is a good for you. God bless
Thank you Luny.
I don't feel so tough this morning. The pain has been so overwhelming that I haven't been able to get my thoughts together to form some kind of coherent post. Eating is excruciating and I'm going to have to figure something out moving forward that maybe I just eat early in the morning.
I don't want to seem like I'm complaining though. The hospice people will be here in an hour or so. I've done nothing but butt heads with them since they showed up. I despise them all. Anyway I don't want to air all of my issues up here. I'm glad I could help somewhat during your run.
Posted on 6/25/19 at 11:34 am to BilJ
BigJ, fans are regularly wrong about all coaching hires. Everyone loved Cam Cameron on paper, and we know how that ended. I’m guilty of it, you’re guilty of it, everyone is guilty of it, it’s just human nature. In the end we don’t really know. We are just not privy to the information you really need to make those judgments.
Resume’ is not always a great barometer especially considering how a lot of the new great offensive minds do not have the experience you would be looking for 10 years ago in high level positions. These young guys are jumping into roles fresh out of playing and teaching these principles rather well.
Resume’ is not always a great barometer especially considering how a lot of the new great offensive minds do not have the experience you would be looking for 10 years ago in high level positions. These young guys are jumping into roles fresh out of playing and teaching these principles rather well.
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