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re: Ensminger & Brady Contracts...And What Could Happen (Happy Path)
Posted on 12/1/19 at 8:46 pm to RummelTiger
Posted on 12/1/19 at 8:46 pm to RummelTiger
Considering Ed O makes half or less than other coaches in the SEC, we have tons of cap space to pay top dollar for the best staff possible.
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Posted on 12/1/19 at 8:50 pm to RummelTiger
How many other teams had an offense this prolific?
So if he put together the number 1 offense in the country that means all the other OC’s in the country didn’t. So to me it seems he should get at least top 5 OC pay. Right?
So if he put together the number 1 offense in the country that means all the other OC’s in the country didn’t. So to me it seems he should get at least top 5 OC pay. Right?
Posted on 12/1/19 at 8:50 pm to Drayton80
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hank God you are not making any decisions. Brady will be offered more than that by a few teams. Everyone inside the program knows that they have to keep Joe or land another extremely creative mind. Ensminger has never been a successful coordinator on his own and never will be. You can't just learn "Brady's System" and be done with it. The offense has to constantly evolve with outside the box ideas and creative concepts, that Ensminger is not capable of. Pay the man and don't worry about good ole boys.
You should read what Brady and Burrow have said about Ensminger, and the impact he has had on this offense.
Yes, he will get other offers at higher numbers, that is typically what schools do when they are desperate to land someone better than what they have, but those schools will likely be far less appealing than what he has here from a recruiting, personnel, and career track.
And whose worried about "good ole boys"? Did you really read what I wrote?
Posted on 12/1/19 at 8:55 pm to Ltown_tiger
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How many other teams had an offense this prolific?
So if he put together the number 1 offense in the country that means all the other OC’s in the country didn’t. So to me it seems he should get at least top 5 OC pay. Right?
Again, we have heard A LOT about Brady...and he, NO DOUBT, has had a massive impact on the offense.
But...
But...Ensminger has been there all along. Brady did not drag Ensminger down the road, Ed and Ensminger went and got Brady.
Look, they could pay him $2MM a year, and if he keeps producing, then great...I undervalued him.
But, I don't think a lot of fans have looked forward yet to next year to realize that we will see a dip in production (more than likely) - considering this is the most prolific offense we have ever had and our Heisman winning QB is leaving.
It would be just like LSU fans to clammer for $1.8MM for him now, then royally bitch and complain next year when the O is doing what it's doing this year.
Posted on 12/1/19 at 8:59 pm to 4LSU2
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Ensminger's final year or two salary is the factor in the pension equation when he retires.
To keep this team together, TAF will come up with the money - even if they have to crack $2m together. Hell, O will probably take just the minimum boost to his salary (for a year), make a new deal to push him to 5 years (of course) to keep the team together. O is probably more worried about term than amount at this point. We keep winning, he's going to be insanely rich.
The coaching team is key to that - he mentions it at every PC.
Posted on 12/1/19 at 9:01 pm to RummelTiger
Any fan not expecting a dip in offensive production is 100% irrational. We are witnessing perhaps the number 1 offense in college football history, taking strength of schedule into account.
Posted on 12/1/19 at 9:01 pm to LSUtoOmaha
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Any fan not expecting a dip in offensive production is 100% irrational.
You know where you are, right?
Posted on 12/1/19 at 9:05 pm to wallowinit
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Joe Brady's stock will never be higher than it is right now given that Joe Burrow wins the Heisman and LSU wins the national championship.
If the above happens then he would be a fool not to take full advantage of it even if it means going elsewhere to get guaranteed Millions.
While all of that is true do you really want to jump into a dumpster fire like Texas? If Joe goes and things don't turn around soon (and they won't). Joe's steller reputation goes down the tubes.
Posted on 12/1/19 at 9:05 pm to TigerLunatik
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Was that ever verified or just a "report" by Culotta?
Nothing official. I don't doubt Culotta is basing that off of something more than a made up number out of thin air. Don't forget that Culotta, T-Bob, Hanny, etc., are in daily contact with Justin Vincent and others inside the football operations building. Now, I don't think Bonnette could leak it directly, but others could for him.
And, like anything else in life - the devil is in the details. If he wants to stay, we will make him an attractive offer to stay. If he doesn't want to stay, no amount of praying, begging or money (recall the angry little man from West Virginia) can make him stay.
If he stays? Geaux Tigers. If he leaves? Next man up.
Posted on 12/1/19 at 9:08 pm to RummelTiger
True true
Posted on 12/1/19 at 9:14 pm to Chrome
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jump into a dumpster fire like Texas?
I don't see this happening. JB will get his fat stack from LSU and stay in a program with nothing but upside.
Posted on 12/1/19 at 9:16 pm to Gray Tiger
He has absolutely coached for decades, but he has had exactly zero successful years as an OC without Brady's assistance. Of course Orgeron, Burrow, and Brady are going to say nice things, but the truth is in the facts. He was terminated from his other two OC positions and he was ranked in the bottom half in the nation, as it relates to scoring offense last season with the same QB. I just hope that they aren't ignorant enough to let Brady go, and go back to a failed experiment. I do not believe that this will happen. I finally believe that Orgeron sees the light.
Posted on 12/1/19 at 9:17 pm to RummelTiger
There's a couple of assumptions wrapped up into this, some that really need to be considered. Others that are probably good ones.
Good Assumptions
- Brady wants a promotion and/or raise at least by next year, if not this year
- The entire LSU program considers Brady integral to our success this year and in the years going forward.
- We want CSE in a coaching role primarily due to recruiting
Assumptions might want to reconsider
- CSE has to stay in coaching role for pension and/or personal reasons. An admin or shadow staff role, with TAF giving him a 'boost' should work just fine.
- CSE has to stay in coaching role for recruiting. That may be conditional on two things: 1) Brady seems to be doing just fine and can replace him 2) Frank coming back with spot cleared by CSE moving to shadow staff
- CSE's full $800k salary applies to pension and he won't take pay cut. Only a portion of that is public money and applies to pension, the lion's share is private (TAF) money.
- CSE wants to stay coaching. Slinger is about done. Last year was really rough on him with the worry, hours, and overall stress of trying so damn hard and, frankly, we didn't do so well offensively.
- Brady will be fine without the guiding hand of CSE. I'm not so certain of this. With CSE on the shadow staff, if that were to happen, he's there for game planning. But he won't be able to be in booth. The assumption that Brady is ready for gameday without CSE's experience is not a leap I'm ready to make. This, however, is Orgeron's with CSE's input evaluation to make.
Summary
If Brady has CEO's faith to do it alone and on the recruiting trail then CSE goes to shadow staff with side deal of 2 or 3 years with TAF to keep him in the $400 - $500k range, Brady goes to OC at $1.5mil, Frank comes back with a coaching role and some weird offensive title (if Robinson stays) or RB coach (if Robinson leaves).
Good Assumptions
- Brady wants a promotion and/or raise at least by next year, if not this year
- The entire LSU program considers Brady integral to our success this year and in the years going forward.
- We want CSE in a coaching role primarily due to recruiting
Assumptions might want to reconsider
- CSE has to stay in coaching role for pension and/or personal reasons. An admin or shadow staff role, with TAF giving him a 'boost' should work just fine.
- CSE has to stay in coaching role for recruiting. That may be conditional on two things: 1) Brady seems to be doing just fine and can replace him 2) Frank coming back with spot cleared by CSE moving to shadow staff
- CSE's full $800k salary applies to pension and he won't take pay cut. Only a portion of that is public money and applies to pension, the lion's share is private (TAF) money.
- CSE wants to stay coaching. Slinger is about done. Last year was really rough on him with the worry, hours, and overall stress of trying so damn hard and, frankly, we didn't do so well offensively.
- Brady will be fine without the guiding hand of CSE. I'm not so certain of this. With CSE on the shadow staff, if that were to happen, he's there for game planning. But he won't be able to be in booth. The assumption that Brady is ready for gameday without CSE's experience is not a leap I'm ready to make. This, however, is Orgeron's with CSE's input evaluation to make.
Summary
If Brady has CEO's faith to do it alone and on the recruiting trail then CSE goes to shadow staff with side deal of 2 or 3 years with TAF to keep him in the $400 - $500k range, Brady goes to OC at $1.5mil, Frank comes back with a coaching role and some weird offensive title (if Robinson stays) or RB coach (if Robinson leaves).
Posted on 12/1/19 at 9:18 pm to I20goon
Love actually having some good discussions in here every now and then.
Thanks for your contribution!
Posted on 12/1/19 at 9:22 pm to RummelTiger
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Per year? After one year? He's going to get about the same as the top OC's in the country with way more experience?
I'm not saying he's not worth it - just wondering how prudent the decision would be. Especially with everyone seemingly getting guaranteed money these days.
None of that matters these days. It’s a coaching arms race. There are 65 power 5 schools and everyone of them is looking for the next great offensive mind.
It’s not about what his experience is or if he’s the mastermind of the offense or if Burrow is just a generational talent.
It’s about what those other 64 teams are willing to pay and what you’re willing to pay to keep him.
If the Texas rumors are true then it’s going to take 1.5 to keep him in baton rouge
This post was edited on 12/1/19 at 9:23 pm
Posted on 12/1/19 at 9:28 pm to RummelTiger
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Any fan not expecting a dip in offensive production is 100% irrational.
You know where you are, right?
...expecting a dip in offensive production... Posted on 12/1/19 at 9:34 pm to CottonWasKing
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It’s about what those other 64 teams are willing to pay and what you’re willing to pay to keep him.
There's maybe 15-20 teams that can do this at the same level as us from an assistant coach standpoint.
Now, if someone wanted to come along and make him an offer to be their HC, then that's a different story.
Posted on 12/1/19 at 9:35 pm to GeorgeWest
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I am not willing to say that our unbelievable success on O is primarily to his credit
It undoubtedly is.
Posted on 12/1/19 at 9:42 pm to RummelTiger
That’s very true. And another thing I didn’t think about is we will have to Give O a bump too.
Posted on 12/1/19 at 9:42 pm to RummelTiger
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There's maybe 15-20 teams that can do this at the same level as us from an assistant coach standpoint.
Now, if someone wanted to come along and make him an offer to be their HC, then that's a different story.
You’re not wrong but that’s why I mentioned the Texas rumors. They are one of the few schools that can compete with us money wise and they want him. If he’s money motivated (what 30 year old isn’t? I’m 30 and I’d sell my wife for 1.5mil a year) then we’re going to have to pay him to keep him and I’m ok with that
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