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re: Ed O’s recruiting classes were 5th, 4th, and 3rd, who will match that?
Posted on 10/19/21 at 7:19 am to joe2679
Posted on 10/19/21 at 7:19 am to joe2679
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And the Oline was still $hit
And I totally agree. O was unable to recruit enough star linemen or LSU was unable depending on how y’all view recruiting.
This post was edited on 10/19/21 at 7:57 am
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Posted on 10/19/21 at 7:20 am to TrueTigerTale
It was also heavy on certain rankings just to boost class ranking.
Look at the quality of the recruiting. Leaving alot to be desired on the lines
Look at the quality of the recruiting. Leaving alot to be desired on the lines
Posted on 10/19/21 at 7:24 am to TrueTigerTale
And yet we 9-8
Posted on 10/19/21 at 7:29 am to TrueTigerTale
How many coaches finished ahead of him in the final polls. I’d rather look at that. Means they can coach better or hire better. Both of which CEO was not good at.
Posted on 10/19/21 at 7:40 am to TrueTigerTale
What is it 2% of all college players make it too the next level. So it must be that 1st and 2nd recruits are head and shoulders better than 3,4,and 5 .
Posted on 10/19/21 at 7:55 am to TrueTigerTale
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Is Woodward getting LSU a coach who will match O’s recruiting classes? That’s just as important as the X’s and O’s. I think that Aranda definitely could, but what does a plumber know? :)
Kirby says "hello"
Posted on 10/19/21 at 8:26 am to TrueTigerTale
I'll take Top 10 Classes that develop and have less attrition
Posted on 10/19/21 at 8:28 am to DaBeerz
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When half of them transfer or get injured are they really 5th, 4th, 3rd? Plus you have to coach the talent, doesn’t matter what they did in high school… I’d rather a real coach who know what to do with players
They’ve been “injured” because of a non competitive season(s).
If you transfer from LSU after/before a competitive season, it means you’re not good enough
This post was edited on 10/19/21 at 8:29 am
Posted on 10/19/21 at 8:45 am to TrueTigerTale
Who gives a F about the ranking of recruiting classes?
The meaningful stat is how did those recruiting classes actually perform?
ETA: Obviously, the ranking has some relevance. But, how the class actually performs is a lot more important. It is similar to "team so-and-so was in the Top Ten at the beginning of ever season." If the team is not in the Top Ten at the end, who cares?
The meaningful stat is how did those recruiting classes actually perform?
ETA: Obviously, the ranking has some relevance. But, how the class actually performs is a lot more important. It is similar to "team so-and-so was in the Top Ten at the beginning of ever season." If the team is not in the Top Ten at the end, who cares?
This post was edited on 10/19/21 at 9:03 am
Posted on 10/19/21 at 8:53 am to TrueTigerTale
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but what does a plumber know?
shite runs downhill
Payday is Friday
Don't bite your nails
Posted on 10/19/21 at 9:00 am to TrueTigerTale
Rankings were good, but the roster has obvious holes. Les had the same issue late in his tenure.
Posted on 10/19/21 at 9:00 am to chinhoyang
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Who gives a F about the ranking of recruiting classes?
The meaningful stat is how did those recruiting classes actually perform?
Damn strong if you ask Fla, LSU only had around 60 players available for the game Saturday, yet LSU pounded the Gators for 4 quarters, and had 4 interceptions despite missing their two top corners. That says a lot about LSU’s recruiting. Anything else I can help you with dumbass?
Posted on 10/19/21 at 9:02 am to TrueTigerTale
But how many of those kids from those classes are still here?
Posted on 10/19/21 at 9:16 am to TrueTigerTale
Some of those classes ended up being fool's gold, way too much attrition:
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2018 recruiting class revisited:
Terrace Marshall (a really good college WR)
Kelvin Joseph (left the program)
Ja'Marr Chase (a bonafide superstar)
Jarell Cherry (finally seeing some meaningful PT)
Chasen Hines (seems to have regressed as an offensive lineman)
Travez Moore (left the program)
Micah Baskerville (has developed into solid college LB)
Davin Cotton (left the program)
Badara Traore (junior college o-lineman, role player)
Dare Rosenthal ((left the program and now starts for UK, wtf?!?! SW needs to fix this)
Kenan Jones (left the program)
Chris Curry (left the program)
Damone Clark (has developed into a good, potentially great college LB)
Cameron Wire (injuries seem to be keeping him back, probably should be a starter right now)
Cole Smith (left the program)
Jaray Jenkins (a role player at WR)
Nelson Jenkins (left the program)
Dominic Livingston (left the program)
Zach Sheffer (left the program)
Damien Lewis (the rare junior college offensive lineman who played very well and drafted in the 3rd round)
Tae Provens (transferred out of the program)
Dantrieze Scott (left the program)
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2019 recruiting class revisited:
Derek Stingley (a bonafide superstar)
John Emery Jr. (will he ever live up to his rankings?)
Marcel Brooks (not sure what happened here)
Kardell Thomas (can't seem to get on the field)
Trey Palmer (role player so far, looks like the freshman are going to push him down the depth chart)
Maurice Hampton (gone)
Siaki Ika (gone)
Tyrion Davis-Price (probably the 3rd best back on the roster behind Kiner and Goodwin)
Ray Parker (gone)
Donte Starks (gone)
Devonta Lee (finally seeing some meaningful playing time, what is his ceiling?)
Anthony Bradford (finally seeing some meaningful playing time, what is his ceiling?)
Peter Parrish (gone)
Raydarious Jones (not sure where he is in the DB pecking order)
Thomas Perry (has he played any meaningful snaps at all in his career?)
Jay Ward (looks like a very good player)
Kendall McCallum (gone)
Charles Turner (seems like he is hurt a lot, I don't know that he has played a lot of meaningful snaps)
Cordale Flott (a very good, potentially great DB)
Joseph Evans (solid player, probably hurt his development being bounced back and forth from DL to OL back to DL).
Soni Fonua (seems like he is finally getting some meaningful PT)
T.K. McLendon (gone)
Desmond Little (I know he has played some, but not enough to say where his ceiling is going to be)
Cade York (a bonafide superstar)
Quentin Skinner (starter at LS)
Michael Williams (Transfer from Texas, did he ever play?)
Posted on 10/19/21 at 9:43 am to TrueTigerTale
Thanks for making my point. You pointed out that the recruiting class PERFORMED well. As I said, ranking isn't nearly as important as how they perform.
Posted on 10/19/21 at 9:44 am to TrueTigerTale
Ranking are great for conversation, but you have to look at those classes a few years later to determine if the evaluation/ranking of the player was correct.
One of Mack Brown's last Texas teams had no players drafted with the coinciding classes 3, 4 and 5 years before were all top 5.
Only about half the 5 stars become really good college players and we have seen that first hand. Good evaluation is the key, we have had too many to count lower ranked players that were really good from the start.
One of Mack Brown's last Texas teams had no players drafted with the coinciding classes 3, 4 and 5 years before were all top 5.
Only about half the 5 stars become really good college players and we have seen that first hand. Good evaluation is the key, we have had too many to count lower ranked players that were really good from the start.
Posted on 10/19/21 at 9:46 am to Vito Andolini
Appreciate the work you put in on that. Every big time college coach appears to recruit certain players well. It would appear Ohio St does it all, yet LSU has won more titles since Saban first arrived. The combination of recruiting well, managing the recruiting process well and developing players, that’s the whole package, and that’s the coach LSU that Woodward needs to hire. H d be worth whatever salary LSU can afford.
Posted on 10/19/21 at 10:31 am to TrueTigerTale
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Ed O’s recruiting classes were 5th, 4th, and 3rd
Evidence of shite coaching.
Posted on 10/19/21 at 10:44 am to TrueTigerTale
Recruiting the top echelon players is very important but also of equal importance is evaluating a top prospects character and behaviour....i.e is he a prima donna or what is his motor like..... These are issues that many colleges don't seem to look at when going after these 5* and high 4* players. There are just a few top-notch programs who will pass on these players.
Posted on 10/19/21 at 12:25 pm to TrueTigerTale
I've always said any coach who cannot rank in the top 10 consistently in recruiting at LSU is incompetent. A good recruiter should be able crack top 5,6 or 7 most every year here.
O's strength was recruiting - it's why he got the Ole Miss job even though he'd never been anything but a D-Line coach.
So he should have hauled in good classed but so should his successor. This is one of the more favorable schools to recruit to in the country for many and varied reasons discussed here ad nauseum.
O's strength was recruiting - it's why he got the Ole Miss job even though he'd never been anything but a D-Line coach.
So he should have hauled in good classed but so should his successor. This is one of the more favorable schools to recruit to in the country for many and varied reasons discussed here ad nauseum.
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