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Ed Orgeron's Short and Long Term Status after Woodward Hire-SDS
Posted on 4/18/19 at 10:31 am
Posted on 4/18/19 at 10:31 am
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Finally, Orgeron's reality:
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Woodward wouldn’t step in and fire a coach fresh off a New Year’s 6 Bowl win and double-digit victories. That’s not the issue with Orgeron. Even if LSU takes a slight step back and is merely a Top 25 team instead of a Top 10 team — something I don’t think will happen — there probably isn’t any immediate need for Woodward to make a switch.
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But long term, yeah, this isn’t ideal for Orgeron. Let’s paint a little scenario here. Hypothetically, let’s say that LSU wins 8-9 games each of the next 2 seasons. Neither season includes a win against Alabama or a New Year’s 6 Bowl. The way these things work now with recruiting, that’s the key point when athletic directors have to go one way or the other. The odds don’t seem great that Woodward is going to look at that and say, “yep, here’s your raise and extension, Coach.” Ask Kevin Sumlin about that. Before the 2017 season, Woodward even came out and said that Sumlin’s string of 8-win seasons wasn’t good enough. If it were still Alleva, that’s a different story. But as I always say, athletic directors don’t want to be judged on someone else’s work.
Finally, Orgeron's reality:
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I mean, LSU has great resources, it pays coordinators handsomely and it has a great state to recruit in. Big-name coaches would be lining up for that job if it became available. If a Woodward decided that Orgeron took the program as far as he could, the idea of sifting through the potential candidates would be extremely enticing. The only thing Orgeron can do to avoid that thought from creeping into his Woodward’s mind is simple — win. Keep beating ranked teams and getting to New Year’s 6 bowls — he’s 7-2 vs. ranked teams that aren’t Alabama since he shed the interim tag — and end the Alabama streak. Basically, just get back to the 2011 standard and job security won’t be an issue. I say that a bit tongue in cheek because that’s a ridiculously high bar to live up to. It’s a bar that’s been raised with Wednesday’s news. That’s reality for Orgeron. Whether he lives up to it, well, that’s for Woodward to decide.
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sPosted on 4/18/19 at 10:33 am to EXPLAYER
Sorry. Orgeron has to make the Playoff or he's gone in two seasons
Posted on 4/18/19 at 10:33 am to GermantownTiger
O is stable right now and he should be, he's actually done a good if uninspiring job so far and has things trending in the right direction imo. I melted down for like a year over his hire but he's been fine.
He has no wiggle room now though. a new AD that isn't tied to him and wouldn't have hired him in the first place means he has to produce and continue to produce. We'll see how it plays out.
He has no wiggle room now though. a new AD that isn't tied to him and wouldn't have hired him in the first place means he has to produce and continue to produce. We'll see how it plays out.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 10:34 am to GermantownTiger
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GermantownTiger
As Bugs would say, "What a maroon."
Posted on 4/18/19 at 10:35 am to EXPLAYER
You can sit here and pretend like Orgeron has done things exceeding that of which got the old coach fired, but it isn't true and Joe Alleva isn't here anymore to carry yalls water.
I'm not saying fire O immediately. I'm saying there are actually real standards in place now. No more spin and propaganda.
I'm not saying fire O immediately. I'm saying there are actually real standards in place now. No more spin and propaganda.
This post was edited on 4/18/19 at 10:36 am
Posted on 4/18/19 at 10:35 am to GermantownTiger
That’s completely reasonable, but it will trigger a few folks.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 10:35 am to GermantownTiger
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Sorry. Orgeron has to make the Playoff or he's gone in two seasons
You people...
:lol:Posted on 4/18/19 at 10:36 am to sanora
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O is stable right now and he should be, he's actually done a good if uninspiring job so far and has things trending in the right direction imo. I melted down for like a year over his hire but he's been fine.
He has done nothing that Miles didn't do.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 10:36 am to RogerTheShrubber
That is O's reality. Woodward will want his coach
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Basically, just get back to the 2011 standard and job security won’t be an issue. I say that a bit tongue in cheek because that’s a ridiculously high bar to live up to. It’s a bar that’s been raised with Wednesday’s news. That’s reality for Orgeron. Whether he lives up to it, well, that’s for Woodward to decide.
This post was edited on 4/18/19 at 10:38 am
Posted on 4/18/19 at 10:36 am to TigerOnTheMountain
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You can sit here and pretend like Orgeron has done things exceeding that of which got the old coach fired, but it isn't true and Joe Alleva isn't here anymore to carry yalls water.
If he goes 10-2 the next two seasons he isn't getting fired.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 10:38 am to GermantownTiger
Les was pretty obviously trending negative at the end though. Recruiting was slipping, results on the field were slipping, and it was time to move on.
O really shouldn't have gotten the job but he's done a decent job and exceeded what I thought we were going to get from him, in all honesty. I expected a total shitshow and flameout within 3 years and he's kept it afloat. He's not going to win anything of significance and I won't ever debate that he will.
O really shouldn't have gotten the job but he's done a decent job and exceeded what I thought we were going to get from him, in all honesty. I expected a total shitshow and flameout within 3 years and he's kept it afloat. He's not going to win anything of significance and I won't ever debate that he will.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 10:40 am to RogerTheShrubber
If he is 0-2 against Alabama with the shite showing he has had the last years, he is gone.
Again, Joe Alleva is gone. You people need to understand what accountability looks like.
You gon learn today.
Again, Joe Alleva is gone. You people need to understand what accountability looks like.
You gon learn today.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 10:41 am to TigerOnTheMountain
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You can sit here and pretend like Orgeron has done things exceeding that of which got the old coach fired, but it isn't true and Joe Alleva isn't here anymore to carry yalls water.
Will you not acknowledge his recent attempt to evolve the offense?
Posted on 4/18/19 at 10:41 am to GermantownTiger
quote:this is not unreasonable
The only thing Orgeron can do to avoid that thought from creeping into his Woodward’s mind is simple — win. Keep beating ranked teams and getting to New Year’s 6 bowls — he’s 7-2 vs. ranked teams that aren’t Alabama since he shed the interim tag — and end the Alabama streak. Basically, just get back to the 2011 standard and job security won’t be an issue.
I say that a bit tongue in cheek because that’s a ridiculously high bar to live up to. It’s a bar that’s been raised with Wednesday’s news. That’s reality for Orgeron.
This post was edited on 4/18/19 at 10:42 am
Posted on 4/18/19 at 10:43 am to RogerTheShrubber
Don't you mean "you people"?!?! y'all are the ones acting like Ed O has proven to be a great coach and hasn't loss at least three games a year. He should be held to the standards as Les and all y'all keep saying is he is trending upwards and y'all accept that. Trending in any direction doesn't matter if he continues to lose three games a year.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 10:43 am to The Egg
Agreed. He has to produce, just like always, but now he has a lot less room for error than did before yesterday.
8-4 for the next 5 years is going to get him back to being a position coach.
8-4 for the next 5 years is going to get him back to being a position coach.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 10:43 am to High C
Yes. I absolutely will acknowledge his what will now be the third attempt to evolve the offense.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 10:44 am to High C
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Will you not acknowledge his recent attempt to evolve the offense?
You mean like he did two years ago when he hired Matt Canada..............
Posted on 4/18/19 at 10:44 am to GermantownTiger
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He has done nothing that Miles didn't do.
Well shite, he never will until he wins 2 nattys, will he?
The Miles bar is pretty high when you word it so matter of factly. However, Miles hadn't done much since the first 3 years of his tenure, with 2011 being an outlier.
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