re: "Doomed to always be a 2-loss team with Miles"

Dan, did you read the rest of my post? Meyer and Saban are the only two coaches I would instantly trade Miles for. That doesn't mean that there aren't plenty of other good coaches.

Tressel, Miles, Carroll, Stoops, Mack Brown, and Beamer are all very good coaches, but they all have noticeable flaws that can be pointed out. Ironically, for all of the claims that Les does so little with so much talent, there are very few people that have called out for Carroll for doing the same thing with more talent.

As for Saban, he has built powerhouses in less than three years. That is a hell of an accomplishment. Meyer's first decade in coaching has been incredible as well. I have pointed out the Harvin/Tebow/Strong/Mullen factor before as well. He got perfect players for his system and I am curious to see how he will adapt once his original coordinators and stars have left. However, that is speculative, and as for actual results, he has done a great job.

But my main point was that the people who want Les to leave are far too trigger happy because it is hard to come up with legit replacements who would actually be an upgrade.

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DiNardo went 10-2 once btw

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I should have said any coach who can consistently go 10-2 can go 11-1. BTW, a lot of the things I've said in this thread are based on the assumption that we win the rest of our regular season games. I know that's no guarantee at all, but the assumption was necessary for this topic. If we lose to both Ole Miss and Arkansas, I might have to re-evaluate.

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but I fear it could turn into McClendon Bryant all over again.

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I just don't see that. Saban hasn't shown that he can string a lot of top 5 finishes together in a row. This year and last are the 2 best seasons he's ever had back-to-back and he may wind up with no championships of any kind for his effort. Now, as good of a coach as he is and with all the talent they have they won't be falling off the face of the earth any time soon. But they'll have their occasional 9-3/8-4 seasons just like everybody else.




And I agree with Dan that Florida will probably fall back down to earth a little bit, too.

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Dan, did you read the rest of my post? Meyer and Saban are the only two coaches I would instantly trade Miles for. That doesn't mean that there aren't plenty of other good coaches.

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Right. You're a reasonable poster, I wasn't intending to call you out specifically.

Just irks me that there's a notion, specifically amongst LSU fans, that Meyer and Saban are perfect coaches and when they lose it's because their players messed up etc. They are both outstanding coaches who have flaws just as anyone else does.

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He got perfect players for his system and I am curious to see how he will adapt once his original coordinators and stars have left. However, that is speculative, and as for actual results, he has done a great job.

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Yeah. And they will continue to be good. I don't think they'll go on a run like they have the last 2 years though. They were shitty just 3 years ago in Tebow's first year as a starter. No one talks about that. Were they young? Surely. But shitty nonetheless.

And the years before that:

2005: 9-3 with losses to Bama (who beat them down), LSU and South Carolina.
2006: 13-1 and NC.
2007: 9-4 played terrible d.

Another thing to consider is that pre-Tebow Meyer's offense, which is what he's credited for, was basically average. It was good enough to win games for sure, but not the force they were last year. We've already seen it come back to earth some this year and I imagine next year they will be solid, but hardly the dynamic type of attack they presented last year specifically.

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As for Saban, he has built powerhouses in less than three years. That is a hell of an accomplishment.

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Right, but his schtick wears thin. People forget this. He's never stuck around a gig long enough for anyone to know how long his attitude/antics can be dealt with. I think he has great impact out the gate because previously under achieving, unmotivated players are now being driven hard to achieve and accomplish... and they do.

To be clear, I'm not saying Saban will suck after 8 years at Bama. I'm just saying, no one knows. Bama will go back down and back up and so on and so forth. The league is just too competitive for them to keep going undefeated in the regular season.

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But my main point was that the people who want Les to leave are far too trigger happy because it is hard to come up with legit replacements who would actually be an upgrade.

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True. I'm not trigger happy. I'm not sure how I feel about Miles. Right when I think I'm comfortable with him, I go through phases where I severely doubt his ability. For whatever reason, it doesn't seem like he's respected by people in the know... by that I mean, Stoops, Carroll, Tressel, Brown, Beamer, Saban, Meyer... every one of these guys gets talked about for their great tactical ability etc. etc. Miles never gets mentioned in that breath. IF he is mentioned it's because he's "ballsy" (which isn't really that true) or it's how much talent LSU has. I think that has a lot to do with the dissatisfaction with Miles. Rightly or wrongly he's not perceived as a great head coach and I think that bugs people.

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I just don't see that. Saban hasn't shown that he can string a lot of top 5 finishes together in a row. This year and last are the 2 best seasons he's ever had back-to-back and he may wind up with no championships of any kind for his effort. Now, as good of a coach as he is and with all the talent they have they won't be falling off the face of the earth any time soon. But they'll have their occasional 9-3/8-4 seasons just like everybody else.

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Exactly. You don't just stay top dog in the SEC. There are too many good teams. To me this is the biggest argument for the strength of our conference over any other. USC won the Pac 10 what 7 or 8 years in a row? I think the Pac 10 is a good conference. But no one will win the SEC even 5 years in a row. Too much talent. In a given year Florida, Georgia, Bama, and Tennessee can win the conference and throw in the fact that Auburn and Ole Miss are sprinkled in there every so often, and it's just crazy.

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..but, not reaching for excellence every year with the talent LSU has is not acceptable. Miles has to be better than a 9-3 or 10-2 coach to reach that excellence.

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Right.

But it's also unrealistic to expect that excellence to come every year or even every other year.

A 9-3, 10-2 norm is great if you can turn around and win a NC every 4-6 years. In fact that's better than great, it's frickin' unbelievable historically.

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If wanting excellence makes me a Piece of shite or Loser

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It does't make you those, it makes you a sufferer of self-importance. Go ahead and want excellence in 1 hand and piss in the other and tell us which fills up first. What you or I want is irrelevant. And when you and your ilk say you "strive for excellence" what exactly do you mean? Do you get up at 5 am and run sprints with the team? How exactly are you striving for this excellence you speak of? By coming on a fricking message board after a close loss on the road to a really good team and getting your pussy blood all over the place? I'd imagine anybody who's ever actually achieved excellence would laugh at the route you've decided to take here. Yet you've somehow managed to convince yourself that not only does your wanting excellence matter(when clearly, it does not), but that all your bitching is beneficial. Like Jefferson is going to watch more film tomorrow, or Les is going to set his alarm an hour earlier because crawfish fricking charlie wants excellence. Get real.

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Proejo....
That's really creative...
..did you think of that all by yourself?
..or did your sister help you??

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whats with the obsession with sisters?

DiNardo's 10-2 season was very meh.

He beat Auburn, who ended up going to the Indy Bowl and battle Army.

He beat Clemson in one of the ugliest wins ever.

He escaped a near massacre vs. Houston and then beat up on a ton of BAD SEC teams.

The two good opponents of '96 embarrassed the crap out of us.

DiNardo had a much better season a year later, despite winning one game less.

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It does't make you those, it makes you a sufferer of self-importance. Go ahead and want excellence in 1 hand and piss in the other and tell us which fills up first. What you or I want is irrelevant. And when you and your ilk say you "strive for excellence" what exactly do you mean? Do you get up at 5 am and run sprints with the team? How exactly are you striving for this excellence you speak of? By coming on a fricking message board after a close loss on the road to a really good team and getting your pussy blood all over the place? I'd imagine anybody who's ever actually achieved excellence would laugh at the route you've decided to take here. Yet you've somehow managed to convince yourself that not only does your wanting excellence matter(when clearly, it does not), but that all your bitching is beneficial. Like Jefferson is going to watch more film tomorrow, or Les is going to set his alarm an hour earlier because crawfish fricking charlie wants excellence. Get real.

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Hot Carl

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bump


Hell of a thread Carl.


I really hope we can get the wins against OM and Ark. Another 10-2 season would be another fantastic feather in Miles' cap.

Can't wait to see all these Meyer/Saban slobberers next year when Meyer loses his entire team and Saban has to bring his bunch back to TS.

Gonna be an exciting final stretch here, with a really fun season on the way in 2010.