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re: Don't hate on Jordan Jefferson
Posted on 3/24/11 at 8:48 pm to Thundercles
Posted on 3/24/11 at 8:48 pm to Thundercles
I just now clicked on this thread and saw the first post...
People need to listen up and listen good. Let this sink through your heads--Jefferson was a worse QB in 2009 than he was in 2010. Jefferson was even a worse QB in 2009 than Lee was in 2008.
Stop spouting stats without understanding the context.
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What everyone seems to forget is that the year prior, with one of the more ineffective O-lines in the last few years, he still passed for 2,177 yards and 17 TDs with only 7 interceptions.
People need to listen up and listen good. Let this sink through your heads--Jefferson was a worse QB in 2009 than he was in 2010. Jefferson was even a worse QB in 2009 than Lee was in 2008.
Stop spouting stats without understanding the context.
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Posted on 3/24/11 at 8:52 pm to Doc Fenton
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Jefferson was a worse QB in 2009 than he was in 2010
Please explain to me your magical reasoning
Posted on 3/24/11 at 8:54 pm to Thundercles
I would, but it's baseball season. Seems pretty obvious though. Never before in recorded history has LSU's passing game sucked as much cock as in 2009. JJ was not the only reason, but he certainly was a big one.
In 2010, JJ at least learned how to run the fricking option.
In 2010, JJ at least learned how to run the fricking option.
Posted on 3/24/11 at 8:58 pm to Doc Fenton
It's really not obvious at all. In 2009 he passed for more completions, more yards, more touchdowns, fewer interceptions, a higher completion percentage, and a higher passer rating. This was all with him hobbled by an ankle injury which caused him to miss the entire Louisiana Tech game. That's also reason he couldn't run well. Also, he didn't have the benefit of the strong running attack that we had last year. Nothing about what you said is close to correct.
Posted on 3/24/11 at 8:59 pm to Thundercles
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I feel that JJ has a higher ceiling and can bring more to the table overall. It's just a question of if he'll be able to tap into that.
If so, he is a classic underachiever. Hopefully he will be consistent this year in whatever role he plays.
Posted on 3/24/11 at 9:02 pm to Thundercles
Fine then. Rather than believing that JJ actually learned to stop doing a few of the stupid things he was doing in 2009, and that this helped the offense overall (even if it made his personal stats look worse), go ahead and believe that JJ somehow magically forgot to play quarterback like his brilliant 2009 stats say he did. Makes a ton of sense.
This post was edited on 3/24/11 at 9:04 pm
Posted on 3/24/11 at 9:09 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Still on the Mett bandwagon?
RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 3/24/11 at 9:13 pm to Thundercles
I'll hate on him if I want. And there's not a fricking thing you could do about it.
Posted on 3/24/11 at 9:14 pm to Doc Fenton
You're really dumb man. No one's ever said he was "brilliant" in 2009, just that he showed he was capable of being efficient. He started off the season in 2010 throwing a lot more incompletions and lot more interceptions. That's not helping anyone but the opposing team.
He wasn't doing anything necessarily different or special in 2009; he was relied on more to throw the ball because the running game was inefficient. He did so fairly well. In 2009, the team rushed 435 times for a 3.7 ypc average (1,596 yards) and only 19 TDs. In 2010, the team ran 538 times for a 4.5 ypc average (2,438 yards) and 29 TDs. JJ's role shrank some and he didn't handle his part very well for awhile.
If you watched his performance for any of the first seven or eight games and thought this was "helping the offense" then you really don't know how football works. Later in the season he did his job well, but the early games were a train wreck. Anyone on this board (except you apparently) would agree.
He wasn't doing anything necessarily different or special in 2009; he was relied on more to throw the ball because the running game was inefficient. He did so fairly well. In 2009, the team rushed 435 times for a 3.7 ypc average (1,596 yards) and only 19 TDs. In 2010, the team ran 538 times for a 4.5 ypc average (2,438 yards) and 29 TDs. JJ's role shrank some and he didn't handle his part very well for awhile.
If you watched his performance for any of the first seven or eight games and thought this was "helping the offense" then you really don't know how football works. Later in the season he did his job well, but the early games were a train wreck. Anyone on this board (except you apparently) would agree.
Posted on 3/24/11 at 9:17 pm to tduecen
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Still on the Mett bandwagon?
I am on the "better QB" bandwagon, whichever one that may be. I don't have a lot of faith in Lee or Jefferson.
Posted on 3/24/11 at 9:19 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I am on the "better QB" bandwagon
I completely respect and agree with this. I think I may be in the minority that believe it will be Jordan Jefferson.
Posted on 3/24/11 at 9:20 pm to Thundercles
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I completely respect and agree with this. I think I may be in the minority that believe it will be Jordan Jefferson.
Probably for the first 3-4 games.
Posted on 3/24/11 at 9:23 pm to Thundercles
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I completely respect and agree with this. I think I may be in the minority that believe it will be Jordan Jefferson.
Posted on 3/24/11 at 9:25 pm to Thundercles
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but the early games were a train wreck
And 2009 wasn't a train wreck?
He was not even close to being "efficient" in 2009. He sucked. The running game sucked because of him.
His terribleness in the first half of 2010 was nothing new. It was just more of the same ... except now he took less sacks and helped the running game more. By the end of the season he was actually starting to gain some wisdom in terms of being more efficient.
But let's not kid ourselves here--besides some 2-minute drill sandlot-football heroics and wide open play action routes against the likes of MSU & Auburn, he was terrible in 2009. Absolutely fricking terrible. It was a total disaster.
There is not the slightest shadow of a doubt in my mind that JJ was better at the end of 2010 than he was at the end of 2009.
Posted on 3/25/11 at 2:23 am to Doc Fenton
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There is not the slightest shadow of a doubt in my mind that JJ was better at the end of 2010 than he was at the end of 2009
I'll definitely agree on this point, and if this is what you meant all along then my B for missing the point. The whole offense of 2009 was just ugly.
JJ's beginning of the 2010 season pained me to watch. At the end of the season I liked his game a lot, which is why I support him so much now.
Posted on 3/25/11 at 6:59 am to LuzianaFootball
quote:Kordell Stewart[/quote]
Terry Bradshaw
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Ryan Perriloux(can't deny his talent).
if you are trying to make a point about how dumbass the la qbs are, these are tremendous examples, albeit bradshaw had made enough cash to support his 5 or 6 exes in grand style. and that will be a helluva less than jj will make, unless he wins the lottery
Posted on 3/25/11 at 7:31 am to cheeser
I dont think there is as much hate as there is dissapointment. The inconsistancy on offense killed our chances over the last three years and im sure it made jj feel bad as well. But every big qb can not be touted for greatness (rohan Davies) and go on to greatness. Not sure what has been the problem w/ jj in the past ,but nothing would make me happier than to see him play up to the hype this year. 
Posted on 3/25/11 at 8:59 am to golf teaching pro
quote:'Scuse me? Woodley played at LSU and Humphries started his college career at LSU.
None of those guys played for Lsu, except perrilloux
Posted on 3/25/11 at 9:16 am to tduecen
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an issue that Jefferson has, the difference is Lee would force a throw and sometimes it worked and sometimes it didn't.... last year however, you could notice when Lee felt rushed he tried checking down or heaved the ball out of bounds....
Sure JL made a couple of plays in a couple of games, but when he really felt pressure he still threw it up for grabs. The Bama game alone gave them at least 2 or 3 INT's except they just dropped them. Threw it right in their gut.
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Jefferson would tuck it and try and run or make an ill advised throw at someones ankles.
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I disagree with this as well. While his feet helped LSU in some areas it hurt LSU in others. Plenty of times he could have sat in pocket and attempted a pass only to take off and get 0 gain or 1 yard gain. Sometimes those things resulted in him taking long sacks as well.
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Jefferson is more a Chris Leak runner where he is a Pro-Style QB first and runs out of instinct or a designed play. Yet so many think he is a run first QB which he is not.
One point you say he will panic and tuck the ball and run first, then you say he doesn't. Also, JJ has never been Pro-style, he's been a spread QB since his high school years. That's one reason there has been such a divide with the supporters. Some want JJ to run a spread type of offense and some want JL(or now) Mett to run the offense because they are Pro-style. Like you said earlier, either way based off of all of their pasts we loose one aspect of offense with each QB.
quote:Not every college QB [is] Newton. But, there have a been a lot of other college QB's who weren't Newton and were very successful by running.
Not every college QB has to be Newton.
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If the OC can coordinate a game plan to fit any QB's strengths then the QB will succeed especially when he has the play makers around him an LSU QB will.
Agree with you 100% here.
Posted on 3/25/11 at 9:58 am to LuzianaFootball
quote:And Jefferson had the same issue the past 2 seasons. Plenty of balls looked like interceptions only the defenders dropped the ball. Hence why I said later that Pick 6's are a lot of luck as so many key things have to factor in for it to become a pick 6.
The Bama game alone gave them at least 2 or 3 INT's except they just dropped them. Threw it right in their gut.
quote:He isn't a run first QB, he becomes one when he feels pressured or panics. Part of that is I believe is because he saw what happened with Lee in 08 and how he was treated and he does not want to take the chances.
One point you say he will panic and tuck the ball and run first, then you say he doesn't.
quote:Jefferson was the #8 Pro-Style QB coming out of high school.
Also, JJ has never been Pro-style, he's been a spread QB since his high school years
quote:In offenses that were designed for them to run. Pat White, Charlie Ward, Tommy Frazier, among others. LSU did not run an offense that past 2/3 seasons that wanted the QB to run the ball. It did not dictate that the QB tuck it and run.
But, there have a been a lot of other college QB's who weren't Newton and were very successful by running.
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