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Don't care about Harris getting "meaningful" snaps anymore (LONG)
Posted on 10/19/14 at 1:37 pm
Posted on 10/19/14 at 1:37 pm
I've come to the thought that it does not matter if Harris play at all the rest of the year. If Harris is supposed to be great, why does it really matter if he plays again this year?
I want to win, and right now, the guy that doesn't turn it over (one turnover outside of the NMST game), knows the offense, and doesn't get confused on which way to run, is the best bet at winning.
The team is improving. Thomas was back playing at DT last night, Adams started for the first time, Beckwith makes the run defense better (9 tackles against a passing team, 3 solo, 1.0 for loss). Bain is clogging the running lanes. Jefferson and Martin are looking better in support roles. We are seeing the defense make strides because of the right personnel, and guys like Hunter and Rasco, coming into their own. Magee has come alive these last two games. The Magee we thought we'd see from the beginning. Even Melvin Jones is coming into his own at FB. Coaches are playing the hot hand and using mostly two RBs. This team can win football games.
frick tanking a season so Harris can get "meaningful snaps" I'm through with that shite. There have been a ton of guys, as recently as the last three years, who have exploded as redshirt freshman.
Here are some from several conferences over the past several years who had 3000 total yards and 20+ TDs as redshirt freshman.
Aaron Murray
Corey Robinson
Jameis Winston
Johnny Manziel
Marcus Mariota
Kellen Moore
Landry Jones
Colt McCoy
Sam Bradford
Brett Hundley
And there are more RS freshman who came up just shy of 3000 yards or just shy of 20 TDs in those years, like Kolton Browning, Brett Smith, Andrew Luck, Colin Kaepernick, etc. Thats not adding guys this year like JT Barrett or Anu Solomon, who both will be over 3500 total yards and 30 TDs this year. There are a shite ton of true sophomores who had as much, or less snaps than Harris as true freshman, that have thrived in there second years also. All conferences, all playbooks, all types of offenses. It doesn't matter.
If he is supposed to be the dynamo that we all think he will become, then should it matter if he gets anymore meaningful snaps this year? I do expect him to play more this year in some capacity, but IMO it is no longer necessary, because I don't want to tank this season just so he can gain experience.
He'll have at least Quinn, Dupre, Diarse, Spears, Upchurch, and Chark next year at WR (3 with a year worth of experience). Fournette and Williams, Guice, and Ducre at RB (2 with a year worth of experience). Don't laugh, but Jeter, Smith, Washington at TE also (2 with a year of experience). Don't forget Melvin Jones and FB too. The guy will be loaded on offense with talent, and loaded with guys to throw to. He should know the offense fully by next fall, and be ready to take charge.
One final thing, don't give me the Lee/JJ debate. They weren't much better than each other even as seniors, and neither had a QB coach. Miles/Cam will play the guy that gives him the best chance to win. Don't give me Mett debate either as he was a fourth year junior who only had 12 passing TDs all of 2012. For reference,
2012 first 8 games redshirt junior
Mett 112/200 (56%) 1419 yards (7.1 ypa) 7 TDs 4 ints
2014 first 8 games true sophomore
Jennings 64/128 (50%) 1048 yards (8.2 ypa) 7 TDs 3 ints
I want to win, and right now, the guy that doesn't turn it over (one turnover outside of the NMST game), knows the offense, and doesn't get confused on which way to run, is the best bet at winning.
The team is improving. Thomas was back playing at DT last night, Adams started for the first time, Beckwith makes the run defense better (9 tackles against a passing team, 3 solo, 1.0 for loss). Bain is clogging the running lanes. Jefferson and Martin are looking better in support roles. We are seeing the defense make strides because of the right personnel, and guys like Hunter and Rasco, coming into their own. Magee has come alive these last two games. The Magee we thought we'd see from the beginning. Even Melvin Jones is coming into his own at FB. Coaches are playing the hot hand and using mostly two RBs. This team can win football games.
frick tanking a season so Harris can get "meaningful snaps" I'm through with that shite. There have been a ton of guys, as recently as the last three years, who have exploded as redshirt freshman.
Here are some from several conferences over the past several years who had 3000 total yards and 20+ TDs as redshirt freshman.
Aaron Murray
Corey Robinson
Jameis Winston
Johnny Manziel
Marcus Mariota
Kellen Moore
Landry Jones
Colt McCoy
Sam Bradford
Brett Hundley
And there are more RS freshman who came up just shy of 3000 yards or just shy of 20 TDs in those years, like Kolton Browning, Brett Smith, Andrew Luck, Colin Kaepernick, etc. Thats not adding guys this year like JT Barrett or Anu Solomon, who both will be over 3500 total yards and 30 TDs this year. There are a shite ton of true sophomores who had as much, or less snaps than Harris as true freshman, that have thrived in there second years also. All conferences, all playbooks, all types of offenses. It doesn't matter.
If he is supposed to be the dynamo that we all think he will become, then should it matter if he gets anymore meaningful snaps this year? I do expect him to play more this year in some capacity, but IMO it is no longer necessary, because I don't want to tank this season just so he can gain experience.
He'll have at least Quinn, Dupre, Diarse, Spears, Upchurch, and Chark next year at WR (3 with a year worth of experience). Fournette and Williams, Guice, and Ducre at RB (2 with a year worth of experience). Don't laugh, but Jeter, Smith, Washington at TE also (2 with a year of experience). Don't forget Melvin Jones and FB too. The guy will be loaded on offense with talent, and loaded with guys to throw to. He should know the offense fully by next fall, and be ready to take charge.
One final thing, don't give me the Lee/JJ debate. They weren't much better than each other even as seniors, and neither had a QB coach. Miles/Cam will play the guy that gives him the best chance to win. Don't give me Mett debate either as he was a fourth year junior who only had 12 passing TDs all of 2012. For reference,
2012 first 8 games redshirt junior
Mett 112/200 (56%) 1419 yards (7.1 ypa) 7 TDs 4 ints
2014 first 8 games true sophomore
Jennings 64/128 (50%) 1048 yards (8.2 ypa) 7 TDs 3 ints
Posted on 10/19/14 at 1:39 pm to Datbayoubengal
most people that want to see Harris this year are just afraid that if he doesn't, Miles will not ever make the change
they are scared of the JJ/JL situation happening again
I strongly believe that Harris will be starting next year
they are scared of the JJ/JL situation happening again
I strongly believe that Harris will be starting next year
Posted on 10/19/14 at 1:41 pm to Datbayoubengal
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frick tanking a season so Harris can get "meaningful snaps" I'm through with that shite.
He needs meaningful snaps.
Mett's coming out game was vs Alabama in 2012. If Jennings plays like that vs Bama, I'll have faith in him.
Posted on 10/19/14 at 1:44 pm to Datbayoubengal
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I want to win, and right now, the guy that doesn't turn it over (one turnover outside of the NMST game), knows the offense, and doesn't get confused on which way to run, is the best bet at winning.
I agree with this completely, but we may need more than what Jennings can provide against Ole Miss and Bama. Good thing is Harris has been excellent in those situations coming off of the bench this year. I think we'll be ok.
Next year Harris will be the starter.
Posted on 10/19/14 at 1:46 pm to Cap Crunch
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I agree with this completely, but we may need more than what Jennings can provide against Ole Miss and Bama. Good thing is Harris has been excellent in those situations coming off of the bench this year. I think we'll be ok.
Harris needs experience. I'd say if Jennings is moving the ball though, that it would be ridiculous to change.
Posted on 10/19/14 at 1:47 pm to Cap Crunch
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Next year Harris will be the starter.
No one can say that for sure
Posted on 10/19/14 at 2:01 pm to silstang23
next 2 games will dictate who the future is. Miles thinks it's Jennings. We think it's Harris. I'll be there screaming my head off for a victory and we will have our answer at the end of it.
Posted on 10/19/14 at 2:04 pm to Datbayoubengal
This "meaningful snaps" talk for Harris is just asinine. Jennings has been selected by the coaches as the starting QB and he's only a sophomore. He still needs as many meaningful snaps as possible. He's not a JR/SR, that's been in the system for 3-4 years, that can afford to skip out on a few in-game reps.
Posted on 10/19/14 at 2:05 pm to Datbayoubengal
I agree for the most part, but Harris shouls have had more meaningful snaps last night. He is obviously the QB of the future, and he should have come in last night once we put the game away and made a good 10 throws at least.
Posted on 10/19/14 at 2:07 pm to Datbayoubengal
Jennings continually makes the same mistakes through 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8 games this season, all of the offseason, Iowa bowl game and 1/4 of the Arkansas game (in which he was stellar FWIW).
Cam going to bat for him is expected in CC's post game interview, but someone needs to explain to me how he is "improving" as I'm not seeing it.
Cam going to bat for him is expected in CC's post game interview, but someone needs to explain to me how he is "improving" as I'm not seeing it.
Posted on 10/19/14 at 2:26 pm to idlewatcher
I haven't seen any. But that's besides the point. Coach thinks he can win running his O against good teams. Next two games will put his theory to the test. If we get beat like MS ST and Auburn, the writing will be on the wall. If we beat them and end this season with 2 losses, a bunch of us will have to eat some crow. I know what I think is going to happen, but I'm hoping I'm wrong.
Posted on 10/19/14 at 2:28 pm to Datbayoubengal
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Don't care about Harris getting "meaningful" snaps anymore (LONG)
Did NOT read.... But Harris needs some snaps but too bad its too late now.....
YOU are a blind homer who is in LOVE with LF and Harris... They are/and will be real good NEXT year...........IF LSUgoes 2-2 the finaltwo games I will be happy.........
Posted on 10/19/14 at 2:28 pm to Datbayoubengal
We cannot beat Ole Miss or Bama with Jennings. We know Jennings will start against Ole Miss but we need to bring in Harris when we are down by 14 or less. But I suspect it will be 21-0 or 24-3 before Les pulls him and by then it will be too late.
Posted on 10/19/14 at 2:34 pm to idlewatcher
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Jennings continually makes the same mistakes through 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8 games this season, all of the offseason, Iowa bowl game and 1/4 of the Arkansas game (in which he was stellar FWIW). Cam going to bat for him is expected in CC's post game interview, but someone needs to explain to me how he is "improving" as I'm not seeing it.
Did Mett not continue to do the same in 2012? Miles wasn't looking to stop passing. Mett averaged like 25 attempts per game, Jennings gets around 16. Even if you take out the two games where Harris played the most, you only get a little less than 18 pass attempts on average per game. You have to give it time. The light came on for Mett after the bye week, in case you forgot.
Harris can definitely come in and play some more this year, and I expect him too, but right now, he has more experience going into his second year of college, than McElroy, McCarron, Boyd, Newton, Kiel, Kessler, Cook, Carden, Kelly, etc.
Posted on 10/19/14 at 2:38 pm to Datbayoubengal
Do you somehow think we're still in the hunt? What could it hurt?
Posted on 10/19/14 at 2:42 pm to Datbayoubengal
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and guys like Hunter and Rasco, coming into their own
Hunter has been a beast all year and has been our best defensive player all year.
Posted on 10/19/14 at 2:44 pm to Datbayoubengal
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Newton
Wait...WUT???????? You put Jennings in the same category as Cam????
You really are stupid...............
Posted on 10/19/14 at 2:45 pm to dukke v
Dukke
That is impossible to do bud

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..IF LSUgoes 2-2 the finaltwo games I will be happy.........
That is impossible to do bud

Posted on 10/19/14 at 2:47 pm to Salmon
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I strongly believe that Harris will be starting next year
What leads you to this conclusion? What is one more offseason with no meaningful PT going to do? We've shown QB's don't develop in our system. How is he going to develop enough to beat out a guy with such a long leash?
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