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Does Miles need to take more control of the offense?
Posted on 10/14/09 at 10:33 pm
Posted on 10/14/09 at 10:33 pm
There's been a good bit of talk about how the offense got turned around in 2006 after the UF game. What did Miles change, other than playing Keiland? Maybe everyone has been thinking about this all wrong. Maybe he hasn't been involved in the playcalling like so many have said. Maybe he needs to be.
Posted on 10/14/09 at 10:38 pm to josh336
Or maybe he already is involved too much... see what I did there?
Posted on 10/14/09 at 10:40 pm to bigpapamac
i'm just trying to throw a different spin at it.....afterall, he was an offensive coordinator at Okie St, and had some success, otherwise he wouldn't have become Head Coach
Posted on 10/14/09 at 10:41 pm to josh336
So is it Crowton who has holds the grudge against KW?
Posted on 10/14/09 at 11:00 pm to OFWHAP
Lsu needs some sort of identity on offense. Not just throw every formation known to man out there and hope everything works out fine.
Posted on 10/14/09 at 11:03 pm to OFWHAP
I wish Miles would start running the offense - he can't do much worse than where we already are with Crowton.
Posted on 10/14/09 at 11:12 pm to RelocatedPelican
Im confused, I blamed LM for holding back Crowton, but given recent news maybe it is Crowton. I always thought, like most, that LM was too involved. If it is Crowton, LM has to step in now then "encourage" him to find a new employer after the season.
Posted on 10/14/09 at 11:19 pm to dirtyred
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If it is Crowton, LM has to step in now then "encourage" him to find a new employer after the season
lol........It's how he got the LSU job to begin with. Mike Bellotti told him to find a new job or get shown the door. I hope LM does the same or his head should be on the chopping block, kudos to him for getting Chavis who has helped fortify the D. Now it's time to get the O straightened out. Lord knows we have talent some teams wish they had but for some reason they are better offensively than we are.
Posted on 10/14/09 at 11:39 pm to LSUintheNW
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lol........It's how he got the LSU job to begin with. Mike Bellotti told him to find a new job or get shown the door. I hope LM does the same or his head should be on the chopping block, kudos to him for getting Chavis who has helped fortify the D. Now it's time to get the O straightened out. Lord knows we have talent some teams wish they had but for some reason they are better offensively than we are.
So Crowton was fired? Good Lord... WTF!
Posted on 10/15/09 at 12:26 am to josh336
At some point in '06 the offense was re-oriented around JaMarcus and three solid receivers (Bowe, Davis, and Doucet).
Posted on 10/15/09 at 12:48 am to AlwysATgr
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I wish Miles would start running the offense - he can't do much worse than where we already are with Crowton.
Haven't you people noticed by now that the play calling isn't the problem? Crowton is doing the best he can with what he has to deal with. The play calling hasn't been bad at all, players just aren't executing. He is making good calls.
For example, the 4th and 1 against UF that we didn't convert. We had one yard to go and everyone criticized him for not running Scott up the middle. Let me take you through that thought process.
Alright so it's 4th and 1, we've had no success running the ball, we got stuffed on the goal line a little while ago...TWICE. So we need to do something different this time around. So let's try and get a high percentage short pass out of this. Here's the hang up. Our O-line has been porous the whole game so let's not risk a play action and get sacked because if we line up in an I, they're gonna bring the house and we'll get smoked. So, let's stick him in the shotgun with 5-wide and spread the D out to reduce the pressure as much as possible. That'll give JJ at least 5-7 seconds to make a decision and hopefully make a play.
Ok so Crowton makes that play call, its snapped, and what does JJ do? Stare down TToliver and when it turns out that he's covered, JJ panics. He doesn't check down, or look for anyone else, he looks at where he can scramble to and that is no where cause he stared down TT for so long that the pocket is now closing. Well now JJ is in trouble and guess what? He gets sacked.
That play call was an excellent choice in that situation because of how the game had gone up until that point and had JJ executed correctly and used his brain, we could've made the first down.
Posted on 10/15/09 at 12:57 am to csand12
I know if I were starting to feel some heat becuse my qb isn't executing, I'm findin another or I'm simplifying. He has shown no sign of either.
Posted on 10/15/09 at 1:04 am to Chuck U Farley
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That play call was an excellent choice in that situation because of how the game had gone up until that point and had JJ executed correctly and used his brain, we could've made the first down.
You've got to be fricking shitting me right... Because I'd give up football if this is how I really thought about that play selection.
Posted on 10/15/09 at 1:08 am to PistolaVeloce
We also keep calling the option with a quarterback who has not shown that he is capable of doing so.
Posted on 10/15/09 at 1:08 am to PistolaVeloce
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You've got to be fricking shitting me right... Because I'd give up football if this is how I really thought about that play selection.
No I wrote that whole explanation just to take it back now .
So what would you do given the circumstances at that moment in the game? Run it up the middle? Yeah, ok. Don't you realize that that wouldn't have gotten the first down?? Everytime we went into a power running formation, Florida brought up their linebackers and at least one safety or corner, sometimes both. It would've been stuffed one more time. That's why we only rushed for 66 yards and averaged 2.2 ypc.
Posted on 10/15/09 at 1:15 am to csand12
Hey how about this genius idea. Put the QB under center. Make Florida at least defend the run and the pass. How about better routes. If we really can't hold blocks long enough to freeze linebackers on a PA pass.. maybe a roll out. The play was a shitty designed play to the core.
How about 5 games into the season and the no huddle is clearly not working we get our QB in a huddle where its a hell of a big boost in many more ways than one..
Besides the initial flaws in play design. How would you have him pick up the first down the way the play unfolded.. Maybe he could throw it to a jammed up a receiver... nope.. maybe he could throw it to the back on the delay route... nope... maybe he can run it... not with those two line backers looking him in the face and the lineman coming from behind..
How about 5 games into the season and the no huddle is clearly not working we get our QB in a huddle where its a hell of a big boost in many more ways than one..
Besides the initial flaws in play design. How would you have him pick up the first down the way the play unfolded.. Maybe he could throw it to a jammed up a receiver... nope.. maybe he could throw it to the back on the delay route... nope... maybe he can run it... not with those two line backers looking him in the face and the lineman coming from behind..
Posted on 10/15/09 at 1:22 am to PistolaVeloce
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That'll give JJ at least 5-7 seconds to make a decision and hopefully make a play
Btw if Crowton ever thought that, he sucks more than I ever thought he did. JJ actually had closer to 2.5-3 seconds... 3 seconds is all you should ever count on as an OC.
Posted on 10/15/09 at 1:26 am to PistolaVeloce
Again, those plays had been tried throughout the game and were largely unsuccessful. We weren't fooling them with being under center at all. Did you even watch the game? JJ would only have like 3 seconds to do his progressions when we lined up under center. The rollout had failed to work cause the DEs were breaking off their blocks so fast that JJ never had a chance to do anything. Also, on that 4th and 1 play, UF only rushed 3, not 5 or 6 and that's why people were covered. After a few seconds had passed and the LBs saw JJ running out of options, that's when they rushed up and put extra pressure on him.
Posted on 10/15/09 at 1:29 am to PistolaVeloce
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3 seconds is all you should ever count on as an OC.
Maybe its all you SHOULD count on but when your QB is taking longer than that, why not try and give him the most time possible??
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