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re: Does anyone think LSU BB is going to escape the Smart/Wade stuff unscathed?
Posted on 5/28/20 at 10:56 am to StatMaster
Posted on 5/28/20 at 10:56 am to StatMaster
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Posted on 5/28/20 at 11:17 am to Lester Earl
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You think Wade sat out on coaching LSU in the postseason because he was talking about something other than money?
If memory serves me correctly, Wade was ordered to sit out via a suspension by the school, he didn’t choose to do so b/c he had some sort of guilty conscience.
Now knowing how you are, you will rush here to contort the situation and say, “well he chose to accept the suspension because he refused to meet with the school.” But that does not change that the school chose to put him in that position by suspending him under public pressure to begin with.
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Or forfeited all his bonus money & then re worked his contract, making it easier to fire him?
Again, you, like others, are inferring his intentions or reasons. Is it not possible that LSU forced him to accept the reduction in bonuses and restructuring of his contract or be fired if he didn’t? Who under that kind of pressure and knowing he would have a hard time getting employment due to the court of public opinion against him would not choose to accept what the school was forcing him into? What it doesn’t automatically and without a doubt prove is that he did it b/c he knew he was guilty of cheating or that he was admitting to it in any such way. Please learn the difference between inferring and conclusion based on factual evidence.
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People always take this point as a flame, only because they know that, but don’t want to admit it
People take it that way b/c they are tired of your repetitive argument inferring that Wade is automatically guilty of cheating simply b/c he chose to not receive his bonuses or restructure his contract, when it does nothing to prove anything except conjecture.
In fact, with regards to the bonus money, I could make an argument as to why LSU was justified in not paying them and him agreeing to it based on the fact that b/c he did not coach any games in the postseason, he should not receive money that was contingent on doing so. The one bonus that no good argument can be made for is him not receiving the SEC championship bonus. Regardless that he didn’t coach the last game of the season, the championship was already won and secured before that game was even played, which means Wade would have coached in all of the requisite games necessary to receive the bonus.
Posted on 5/28/20 at 11:25 am to LNCHBOX
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IF you buddy Alleva wasn't in charge then, none of that likely happens. Keep holding on to it though.
But it did happen, and Wade's reaction to it was authentic
Posted on 5/28/20 at 11:28 am to Lester Earl
It looks like it will be a slap on the wrist at most. Probably some short term recruiting penalties maybe 1-2 scholarship loss. Decent chance absolutely nothing happens. I’m willing to ban bet that the SEC championship stands
This post was edited on 5/28/20 at 11:29 am
Posted on 5/28/20 at 11:28 am to Lester Earl
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But it did happen
Earth shattering analysis.
Posted on 5/28/20 at 11:30 am to TigerLaw40
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Wade was ordered to sit out via a suspension by the school, he didn’t choose to do so b/c he had some sort of guilty conscience.
LSU wanted to meet with Wade to talk to him about it, and Wade refused to do so for 5 weeks, including through the SEC Tournament and the NCAA tournament.
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Is it not possible that LSU forced him to accept the reduction in bonuses and restructuring of his contract or be fired if he didn’t?
If he didn't do anything, why would he accept that?
He forefeited $250k in bonus money. LOL. That was rightfully his.
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and him agreeing to it based on the fact that b/c he did not coach any games in the postseason, he should not receive money that was contingent on doing so
Part of his bonus was for winning the SEC regular season. You should read his contract.
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People take it that way b/c they are tired of your repetitive argument inferring that Wade is automatically guilty of cheating simply b/c he chose to not receive his bonuses or restructure his contract,
It's only repetitive because you(and everyone else) has no logical answer for it. You know I am right. The rest of your post tells that. You dont even know what the finer details of the matter are.
Posted on 5/28/20 at 11:32 am to Lester Earl
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has no logical answer for it
Alleva was a fricking weasel that didn't have Wade's back at all. That is a perfectly logical answer and confirmed by quotes from Alleva himself.
Posted on 5/28/20 at 11:32 am to StatMaster
print this thread out and shove it up your arse
Posted on 5/28/20 at 11:33 am to LNCHBOX
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Alleva was a fricking weasel that didn't have Wade's back at all. That is a perfectly logical answer and confirmed by quotes from Alleva himself.
That has nothing to do with what you responded to.
Posted on 5/28/20 at 11:35 am to Lester Earl
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That has nothing to do with what you responded to.
It has everything to do with it. With a non-retard at the AD position, Wade would have done none of these things you think make him guilty. But since we did have a retard at AD, he did.
Posted on 5/28/20 at 11:41 am to LNCHBOX
Nope, that is not an answer for Wade's behavior. That is you just ranting like a maniac. It has nothing to do with how Wade reacted after being questioned.
Posted on 5/28/20 at 11:44 am to Lester Earl
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Nope, that is not an answer for Wade's behavior. That is you just ranting like a maniac. It has nothing to do with how Wade reacted after being questioned.
Whatever you say.
Posted on 5/28/20 at 12:16 pm to LNCHBOX
1. We do not have either the transcript nor the live convo of WW's FULL phone call in question. We have snippets. Therefore, we do NOT have the full story.
2. Unless we have an amount and evidence of receipt of funds, as far as I am concerned no money was given to LSU recruits. I presume people are innocent until PROVEN guilty. This applies to all MBB HC's and even to Will Wade.
3. If the NCAA has evidence that LSU or LSU's agents paid recruits or their families, we will know soon enough. Until then, I will enjoy LSUMBB and not fret over what I cannot confirm much less control.
Note: WW was on his way to talk live to Alleva until Alleva decided to change his mind and mandate the NCAA be in on that first meeting. LSUAD mishandled that situation from the start.
2. Unless we have an amount and evidence of receipt of funds, as far as I am concerned no money was given to LSU recruits. I presume people are innocent until PROVEN guilty. This applies to all MBB HC's and even to Will Wade.
3. If the NCAA has evidence that LSU or LSU's agents paid recruits or their families, we will know soon enough. Until then, I will enjoy LSUMBB and not fret over what I cannot confirm much less control.
Note: WW was on his way to talk live to Alleva until Alleva decided to change his mind and mandate the NCAA be in on that first meeting. LSUAD mishandled that situation from the start.
This post was edited on 5/28/20 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 5/28/20 at 12:43 pm to Lester Earl
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LSU wanted to meet with Wade to talk to him about it, and Wade refused to do so for 5 weeks, including through the SEC Tournament and the NCAA tournament.
Interesting how you made the same argument that I said you would make and already disputed it.
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If he didn't do anything, why would he accept that?
He forefeited $250k in bonus money. LOL. That was rightfully his.
Seems like it is you that needs to learn how to read. I, again, already addressed this argument in my previous post. If he refused to accept it and ended up being fired by LSU, how does that put him in a better position? He is still without the money and now without a job with his only course of action to be to sue LSU for wrongful termination. Would you have preferred that be the option to happen?
Regardless if he knew he didn't cheat or not, he knew, as any common sense person knew, that he never would have gotten a job immediately or in the next couple years till all of this was resolved b/c people like you and the court of public opinion already deemed him to be guilty and a cheater beyond a shadow of a doubt; so it didn't matter if he knew himself to be innocent or not.
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Part of his bonus was for winning the SEC regular season. You should read his contract.
This statement right here proves that you selectively read and pick out what you want to respond to instead of looking at and understanding the argument as a whole. I already acknowledged that bonus was a part of his contract and one that LSU had no basis to deny him as he coached the requisite games necessary to achieve the bonus. So seems like you are the one that needs to read. quote:
It's only repetitive because you(and everyone else) has no logical answer for it. You know I am right. The rest of your post tells that. You dont even know what the finer details of the matter are.
How is someone supposed to argue with a person who is basing his OPINION on an inference. You keep wanting to say, "well it's a fact that Wade didn't coach the postseason; and it's a fact that he chose to not take his bonuses; and it's a fact that Wade chose to allow LSU to make it easier to fire him." Well here is your logical answer: NO ONE DISPUTES THOSE FACTS! We dispute the conclusion you have reached b/c of those facts. You take those and infer that Wade is obviously guilty and that he acknowledges he is guilty b/c of those things, when that is NOT TRUE. It's a post hoc fallacy.
And I know the finer details just fine. You aren't some singular authority on the issue, even though you pretend to be.
Posted on 5/28/20 at 12:47 pm to StatMaster
I have always thought this will have to be handled like steroids in baseball from 15 years ago. The AAU is so out of control and there are so many coaches involved that the NCAA will just have to draw a line in the sand on how this is handled from this point forward, with only penalties for past extremely egregious tactics.
They can't take down Wade without going after Duke, Kansas and so many others.
They can't take down Wade without going after Duke, Kansas and so many others.
Posted on 5/28/20 at 12:54 pm to TigerDM
I think LSU BB will come out of this completely unscathed. Why? Because of the amount of time that has already passed, because of what Arizona has already gotten away with, and because the power of the NCAA has seemingly weakened severely
Posted on 5/28/20 at 12:58 pm to TigerLaw40
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Interesting how you made the same argument that I said you would make and already disputed it.
It cant be the same argument, because you do even know the reason he sat out games.
Will Wade's reinstatement was contingent on meeting with LSU. He choose NOT to meet with LSU for almost 40 days. That was his decision. Not LSUs.
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If he refused to accept it and ended up being fired by LSU, how does that put him in a better position?
Fire him for what? You are claiming he didnt do anything wrong. Why would they fire him? And better yet, why would he not fight that if he didn't do anything wrong?
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Regardless if he knew he didn't cheat or not, he knew, as any common sense person knew, that he never would have gotten a job immediately or in the next couple years till all of this was resolved b/c people like you and the court of public opinion already deemed him to be guilty and a cheater beyond a shadow of a doubt; so it didn't matter if he knew himself to be innocent or not.
That's a hugggggge reach, and frankly a deflection because you know i am right.
If he didn't do anything wrong he at least has claim to money owed.
Again, you should read his contract. It's not that long and a pretty easy read even for a layman.
TLDR: In order for LSU to fire him and not pay him, there has to be a cause.
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We dispute the conclusion you have reached b/c of those facts.
You conclusions are so damn illogical its not even funny man.
Circle back to my original post: people get mad when shite is staring them in the face. You know exactly why all this happened. You are trying to make up bullshite "outs" that make ZERO sense
Posted on 5/28/20 at 1:00 pm to Lester Earl
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people get mad when shite is staring them in the face. You know exactly why all this happened
I do get mad that Alleva was our Ad for as long as he was, so you do have a point here.
Posted on 5/28/20 at 1:03 pm to StatMaster
Yep
Posted on 5/28/20 at 1:49 pm to LNCHBOX
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I do get mad that Alleva was our Ad for as long as he was, so you do have a point here.
Next to O leading LSU to the best season in CFB history, Will Wade getting hemmed up by the NCAA will be some serious vindication for ole Joe
This post was edited on 5/28/20 at 1:51 pm
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