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re: Do the umps make this call at Alex Box?

Posted on 5/31/25 at 1:14 pm to
Posted by Mickey Goldmill
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Posted on 5/31/25 at 1:14 pm to
A catcher isn’t going to do that and potentially let the runner get past him. He’d be leaving home plate completely uncovered.
Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 5/31/25 at 1:15 pm to
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A catcher isn’t going to do that and potentially let the runner get past him. He’d be leaving home plate completely uncovered.
Which is absolutely how the rule is intended

They do not want the catcher in front of the plate without the ball unless he has to go there to field a thrown ball
Posted by Mickey Goldmill
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Posted on 5/31/25 at 1:16 pm to
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And if you decide to setup in front of the plate and miss the ball you are obstructing; the risk you take.


The rule says nothing about having to catch the ball. Again, it’s somewhat subjective, but if he’s making a legitimate attempt at fielding, it’s not going to be obstructing regardless of if he’s successful at fielding the ball or not.
Posted by TheRouxGuru
Member since Nov 2019
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Posted on 5/31/25 at 1:18 pm to
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DEFENSIVE PLAYER CANNOT BLOCK A BASE
WITHOUT CLEAR POSSESSION OF THE BALL


Is standing in front of it ‘blocking’ it?

Not being a dick, genuinely asking. What I think of when I hear of someone ‘blocking’ the plate or base, it doesn’t look like what the catcher did
Posted by Mickey Goldmill
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Posted on 5/31/25 at 1:18 pm to
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They do not want the catcher in front of the plate without the ball unless he has to go there to field a thrown ball


Has to or choose to go there. They don’t want the catcher just using his body to block the plate without attempting to make an out there (fielding the ball). He can choose to field that ball wherever he wants as long as he’s attempting to field the ball.
This post was edited on 5/31/25 at 1:22 pm
Posted by STEVED00
Member since May 2007
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Posted on 5/31/25 at 1:18 pm to
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A catcher isn’t going to do that and potentially let the runner get past him. He’d be leaving home plate completely uncovered. Which is absolutely how the rule is intended They do not want the catcher in front of the plate without the ball unless he has to go there to field a thrown ball


And on top of that. The runner WAS SLIDING!!
Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 5/31/25 at 1:21 pm to
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What I think of when I hear of someone ‘blocking’ the plate or base, it doesn’t look like what the catcher did
Bro

Regardless of how you feel about the call he absolutely is blocking the plate

Posted by jborotiger
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 5/31/25 at 1:22 pm to
(c. Unless the catcher is in possession of the ball, the catcher cannot block the pathway of the runner as he is attempting to score. If, in the judgment of the umpire, the catcher without possession of the ball blocks the pathway of the runner, the umpire shall call or signal the runner safe. Notwithstanding the above, it shall not be considered a violation if the catcher blocks the pathway of the runner in a legitimate attempt to field the throw, (e.g., in reaction to the direction, trajectory or the hop of the incoming throw,or in reaction to a throw that originates from the pitcher or drawn-in infielder). In addition, a catcher without possession of the ball shall not be adjudged to e.g., in reaction to the direction, trajectory or the hop of the incoming throw,be in violation if the runner could have avoided the collision with the catcher (or other player covering home plate) by sliding.)

The catcher did not move into the base path in reaction to the throw. He was setting up there before the throw was made. Thus interference.

Terrible call!
Posted by STEVED00
Member since May 2007
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Posted on 5/31/25 at 1:26 pm to
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The catcher did not move into the base path in reaction to the throw. He was setting up there before the throw was made. Thus interference.


Bingo

In addition,

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f the runner could have avoided the collision with the catcher (or other player covering home plate) by sliding.)


The runner was clearly starting his slide so even if the throw did take him in to the runner (which it didn’t) the runner was attempting to slide.

The catcher caused the collision. Hell if he is at the plate instead on several feet in front of it then he probably catches the throw and tags out the sliding runner and we aren’t talking about any of this.
This post was edited on 5/31/25 at 1:29 pm
Posted by BallChamp00
Member since May 2015
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Posted on 5/31/25 at 1:28 pm to
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Regardless of how you feel about the call he absolutely is blocking the plate


That’s the worst still frame pic you could have taken to make your point. This actually shows not obstruction.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 5/31/25 at 1:30 pm to
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This actually shows not obstruction.
Explain

Keep in mind the ball is behind the catcher and not even in the photo…..

You are incorrectly thinking it’s in his glove. It’s not. It’s so far behind him you can’t even see the ball in the photo
This post was edited on 5/31/25 at 1:32 pm
Posted by Mickey Goldmill
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Posted on 5/31/25 at 1:30 pm to
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The catcher did not move into the base path in reaction to the throw. He was setting up there before the throw was made. Thus interference. Terrible call!


It’s irrelevant how long he was there as long as at the time of the collision (or immediately before it happens), he’s making an attempt to field the ball. He clearly was since the ball got there at the same time as the runner.
Posted by BallChamp00
Member since May 2015
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Posted on 5/31/25 at 1:31 pm to
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You are allowed to block the plate at all times as long as someone eventually throws it to you at some point.


You know this isn’t true and are just being an a-hole. The rule is clear. Catcher and fielder have a right to field the ball.

Just like if a second baseman is fielding a ball in the runners path, the runner has to avoid the fielder. Not the fielder avoiding the runner.
This post was edited on 5/31/25 at 1:32 pm
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 5/31/25 at 1:32 pm to
You are the one thinking the catcher has the ball in the photo above. You might want to sit this one out
Posted by Mickey Goldmill
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Posted on 5/31/25 at 1:32 pm to
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Hell if he is at the plate instead on several feet in front of it


The catcher does not have to clear a path for the base runner while he’s fielding the ball.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 5/31/25 at 1:33 pm to
What about when the ball is over 10 feet behind the catcher?
Posted by BallChamp00
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Posted on 5/31/25 at 1:33 pm to
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The catcher did not move into the base path in reaction to the throw. He was setting up there before the throw was made. Thus interference.


You can see the catcher moving more left in the vid. Which means he started outside the basepath and kept working his way to it. When ball was close he moved his left foot crossing the basepath. You guys are either blind or just don’t like it when you are wrong.
This post was edited on 5/31/25 at 1:34 pm
Posted by Mickey Goldmill
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Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 5/31/25 at 1:33 pm to
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Just like if a second baseman is fielding a ball in the runners path, the runner has to avoid the fielder. Not the fielder avoiding the runner.


Bingo. They are acting like the catcher needs to lay out a red carpet and escort the runner to the plate
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 5/31/25 at 1:35 pm to
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They are acting like the catcher needs to lay out a red carpet and escort the runner to the plate
He actually does when he doesn’t have the ball and it’s 10 feet past him


Look, the ball is so far behind the catcher before contact you can’t even see the freaking ball in the photo anymore

Posted by Mickey Goldmill
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Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 5/31/25 at 1:35 pm to
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What about when the ball is over 10 feet behind the catcher?


Jesus Christ. That’s irrelevant here because the play is basically over already.

If your saying it’s a hugely wild throw that comes nowhere close to the catcher while he’s blocking the plate, yes that’s going to be obstruction because he wasn’t making a legit attempt at the ball. Here, the ball comes right at the catcher and bounces away.
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