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re: Disspelling the offense caused the defense to be bad thought.
Posted on 7/1/10 at 8:48 pm to RichT
Posted on 7/1/10 at 8:48 pm to RichT
yes, TOP is a much better stat in this debate. It all starts with running the ball, which we didn't do o a consistent basis. Interior blocking coupled with an inability to vertically stretch the field were 2 key components to this. The losses of Helms and Big Herm to graduation were bigger than most realize. Despit all of this we still won 9 games and were very close to pulling put 3 others
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Posted on 7/1/10 at 8:57 pm to joechristoppher77
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It all starts with running the ball, which we didn't do o a consistent basis. Interior blocking coupled with an inability to vertically stretch the field were 2 key components to this.
And the song remains the same - power running complemented with vertical passing will win a lot of games.
Posted on 7/1/10 at 9:09 pm to MontanaTiger
Just to show that you can find a stat for any occassion think about this....
LSU was 26th out of 120 teams on defense. That means 21% of D-I teams were better than LSU on Defense. On offense LSU was 112th out of 120 teams, meaning 93% of teams in D-I were better than LSU on offense. Better yet, LSU was 11th in scoring defense. Only 9% of teanms were better. Scoring offense was 76th. Yep, it was the defense's fault alright.
LSU was 26th out of 120 teams on defense. That means 21% of D-I teams were better than LSU on Defense. On offense LSU was 112th out of 120 teams, meaning 93% of teams in D-I were better than LSU on offense. Better yet, LSU was 11th in scoring defense. Only 9% of teanms were better. Scoring offense was 76th. Yep, it was the defense's fault alright.
Posted on 7/1/10 at 9:47 pm to AUmember
This is a surprisingly good thread.
The biggest problem I have with Chavis' defense is lost field position. The OP brought up some telling numbers.
While the offense was certainly not good last season, the defense didn't help itself out much either. They constantly lose field position, and make a poor offense attempt to drive the length of the field to score points.
No matter how anyone tries to spin it, it was a combination of several things that caused us to have a mediocre season. The offense can't get in any kind of sync when it's on the bench while the other team has a 15 play drive. The defense can't catch it's breath while the offense goes three and out.
Both sides need to get much better if we are to contend for the West title and a trip to Atlanta.
The biggest problem I have with Chavis' defense is lost field position. The OP brought up some telling numbers.
While the offense was certainly not good last season, the defense didn't help itself out much either. They constantly lose field position, and make a poor offense attempt to drive the length of the field to score points.
No matter how anyone tries to spin it, it was a combination of several things that caused us to have a mediocre season. The offense can't get in any kind of sync when it's on the bench while the other team has a 15 play drive. The defense can't catch it's breath while the offense goes three and out.
Both sides need to get much better if we are to contend for the West title and a trip to Atlanta.
Posted on 7/1/10 at 10:08 pm to TheBob
Im not gonna read all of this crap. If you think our defense was responsible for our crappy offense...you need immediate medical attention. That is all.
Posted on 7/1/10 at 11:37 pm to Swat5
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If you think our defense was responsible for our crappy offense...you need immediate medical attention.
Well then I guess I need immediate medical attention, because at times, I would say they were responsible for our crappy offense.
Posted on 7/1/10 at 11:44 pm to TheBob
Time of Possession is the most telling statistic from last year. The problem was clearly the offense.
Posted on 7/1/10 at 11:49 pm to Swat5
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Im not gonna read all of this crap. If you think our defense was responsible for our crappy offense...you need immediate medical attention. That is all.
Damn right. There is a much better argument for the offense causing the defensive stats to look worse thant the reverse. LSU's offense was good for a couple/three drives a game. About it.
Posted on 7/2/10 at 9:43 am to RogerTheShrubber
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There is a much better argument for the offense causing the defensive stats to look worse thant the reverse. LSU's offense was good for a couple/three drives a game. About it.
Then make the argument!
I'm not saying the defense is responsible for how poorly our offense played last year. I'm simply saying that the defensive woes were not solely the responsibility of a terrible offense. Our defense was not good last year, and it needs to get better...That is all!
Posted on 7/2/10 at 9:47 am to TGFN57
quote:Except sometimes stats hide important nuances in the game. If the defense is constantly on the filed 'defending' between the 20's, allowing the other teams offense to run up and down practically at will (something that happens frequently with Chavis' defenses), then the offense is left standing on the sidelines, giving up important minutes and possessions to the other team, eliminating your own scoring opportunities as as result.
nother person who gets it. Scoring defense is the most important stat on the defensive side. Some people think that the defense is only succesful if the opposing team is shut out and ends up with negative yardage. I'll take a W any day and any way. Cause it doesn't count for more than just W no matter what the stats are.
Now you could argue, that this might allow you to win a game "ugly" by something like a score of 10-7, so "a win is a win", but you are playing with fire in doing that by not putting teams away and keeping them in striking distance, allowing them to win on a last minute FG or TD.
Posted on 7/2/10 at 9:53 am to Tiger_n_ATL
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Except sometimes stats hide important nuances in the game. If the defense is constantly on the filed 'defending' between the 20's, allowing the other teams offense to run up and down practically at will (something that happens frequently with Chavis' defenses), then the offense is left standing on the sidelines, giving up important minutes and possessions to the other team, eliminating your own scoring opportunities as as result.
Now you could argue, that this might allow you to win a game "ugly" by something like a score of 10-7, so "a win is a win", but you are playing with fire in doing that by not putting teams away and keeping them in striking distance, allowing them to win on a last minute FG or TD
It's easy for the offense to be ranked poorly when they are running half the plays the other team is running (See Washington and Miss St.). And if my memory serves me, LSU didn't punt but twice in the game against Washington. Against Georgia the defense allowed two 18 play drives in the second half. One of those was Georgia's first drive of the second half, so don't try to convince me that the defense was tired.
This post was edited on 7/2/10 at 9:55 am
Posted on 7/2/10 at 10:04 am to Tiger_n_ATL
quote:Except that each of those drives where our offense is standing on the sidelines is followed by an opportunity for our offense to do the same thing to their offense, and keep them on the sidelines and have their own scoring opportunity.
the offense is left standing on the sidelines, giving up important minutes and possessions to the other team, eliminating your own scoring opportunities as as result.
Our offense had just as many opportunities to keep the other offense off the field as our defense had to take the other offense off the field. Our defense finished in the top 50 in every meaningful measure of performance, the top 30 in all but one, and #11 in the most significant (scoring defense); our offense finished in the bottom 10 in total offense in the country, and nowhere near #11 in scoring offense. Clearly, the offense was not taking advantage of opportunities nearly as well as the defense was. If your contention is that the defense was making it harder on themselves by playing a scheme that kept them on the field longer, then the statistical difference is even more damning. The defense was making it harder on themselves and still outperforming the offense.
Bottom line, there is no measure by which the offense was doing its job nearly as well as the defense was. The more a team struggles on one side of the ball, the more impact it has on the other side. To suggest that the struggles on offense did not have more impact on the defense than the struggles on defense had on the offense is to suggest that the struggles on offense were not significantly worse than the struggles on defense.
And that's . . . well, that's just crazy.
Posted on 7/2/10 at 10:10 am to AUmember
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Our defense was not good last year, and it needs to get better...That is all!
that defense was good, not great, certainly not "bad". the glaring weakness was the line, and that must be addressed for it to be great. Poor tackling was a big problem in the Washington game, but got better as the year went on. The offensive problems certainly contributed to the defense, and vice versa to some extent.
Posted on 7/2/10 at 10:11 am to AUmember
Team LSU OPP
Washington 5-10 / 11-19
VANDERBILT 9-17 / 4-15
UL-LAFAYETTE 7-12 / 6-16
Mississippi State 2-13 / 8-19
Georgia 5-14 / 7-17
FLORIDA 1-9 / 5-12
AUBURN 6-15 / 4-13
TULANE 7-10 / 3-13
Alabama 5-14 / 4-14
LOUISIANA TECH 2-9 / 5-18
Ole Miss 5-13 / 6-14
ARKANSAS 4-12 / 5-15
Penn State 3-12 / 7-19
Totals 61-160 / 75-204
3rd down conversions per game. Let it go dude the defense while admittedly needs to improve they were not the problem with the offense, can you seriously look at these glaring 3rd down stats and tell me the defense caused the offense problems. 2-13 at Moo State, 3-12 in the bowl game and 1-9 against Florida and worst of all 2-9 against La Tech.
Washington 5-10 / 11-19
VANDERBILT 9-17 / 4-15
UL-LAFAYETTE 7-12 / 6-16
Mississippi State 2-13 / 8-19
Georgia 5-14 / 7-17
FLORIDA 1-9 / 5-12
AUBURN 6-15 / 4-13
TULANE 7-10 / 3-13
Alabama 5-14 / 4-14
LOUISIANA TECH 2-9 / 5-18
Ole Miss 5-13 / 6-14
ARKANSAS 4-12 / 5-15
Penn State 3-12 / 7-19
Totals 61-160 / 75-204
3rd down conversions per game. Let it go dude the defense while admittedly needs to improve they were not the problem with the offense, can you seriously look at these glaring 3rd down stats and tell me the defense caused the offense problems. 2-13 at Moo State, 3-12 in the bowl game and 1-9 against Florida and worst of all 2-9 against La Tech.
Posted on 7/2/10 at 11:51 am to TigerFanNKaty
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Team LSU OPP
Washington 5-10 / 11-19
VANDERBILT 9-17 / 4-15
UL-LAFAYETTE 7-12 / 6-16
Mississippi State 2-13 / 8-19
Georgia 5-14 / 7-17
FLORIDA 1-9 / 5-12
AUBURN 6-15 / 4-13
TULANE 7-10 / 3-13
Alabama 5-14 / 4-14
LOUISIANA TECH 2-9 / 5-18
Ole Miss 5-13 / 6-14
ARKANSAS 4-12 / 5-15
Penn State 3-12 / 7-19
Totals 61-160 / 75-204
3rd down conversions per game. Let it go dude the defense while admittedly needs to improve they were not the problem with the offense, can you seriously look at these glaring 3rd down stats and tell me the defense caused the offense problems. 2-13 at Moo State, 3-12 in the bowl game and 1-9 against Florida and worst of all 2-9 against La Tech.
I guess I need to use heiroglyphics...
I didn't say that the defense caused the offense to be bad, I said the defensive performance contributed to the ineffectiveness of the offense by allowing long drives, and not enough stops on 3rd down.
Posted on 7/2/10 at 11:56 am to AUmember
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I'm not saying the defense is responsible for how poorly our offense played last year. I'm simply saying that the defensive woes were not solely the responsibility of a terrible offense. Our defense was not good last year, and it needs to get better...That is all!
fricking retarded. Total defense was average, to better than average and the scoring defense was stellar. This, despite the offense being totally unable to sustain drives.
Posted on 7/2/10 at 12:20 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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fricking retarded. Total defense was average, to better than average and the scoring defense was stellar. This, despite the offense being totally unable to sustain drives.
Look here Roger Rabbit...
Our defense ranking was skewed because of our schedule. We played...ULL, La.Tech, Tulane, Moo State, and Vandy. Plus Georgia's offense was no good and Florida's offense struggled too. Against SEC Competition our defense was less than stellar.
Explain this away...
LSU's offense converted 50% of it's 3rd downs against Washington, averaged 5.1 yards per carry and 9.1 yards per pass, both of which were better than Washington's average. Yet Washington ran 87 plays to LSU's 49.
fricking LA. Tech ran 87 plays against LSU. That's ridiculous.
Just because the defense doesn't give up a lot of points doesn't mean it isn't hurting the offense. LSU gave up too many long drives. If your offense isn't on the field, they can't score.
Posted on 7/2/10 at 12:23 pm to AUmember
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Look here Roger Rabbit...
Our defense ranking was skewed because of our schedule. We played...ULL, La.Tech, Tulane, Moo State, and Vandy. Plus Georgia's offense was no good and Florida's offense struggled too. Against SEC Competition our defense was less than stellar.
You just listed HALF of LSu's schedule, Forrest.
How many points did UF, Bama, Ole Miss and PSU score despite the TOP disparity?
GO for it.
Posted on 7/2/10 at 12:25 pm to AUmember
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fricking LA. Tech ran 87 plays against LSU. That's ridiculous.
How many points did they score? How many yards did they accumulate?
How well did LSU's offense perform in that game? You know, Louisiana Tech....
No one is claiming that the defense was stellar. Your claim that the defense was "not good" is fricking retarded, as stated earlier.
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