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re: Discussion: The last offensive series in bowl game

Posted on 1/4/13 at 12:07 am to
Posted by boxcar willie
kenner
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Posted on 1/4/13 at 12:07 am to
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would have also been maybe a 5 yard gain, total. There were at least 3 defenders around Landry that were closing and would have made the tackle. No way he takes it very far.



doesn't need to go far. Only need two yards for a 1st down. Complete that pass and the game is over.
Posted by boxcar willie
kenner
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 1/4/13 at 12:12 am to
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I also would've taken Alexander out, as well as he's been playing up to this game, he had an off game. Put Williford in.


Alexander can not pass block. As bad as some of our other olineman are at pass blocking, none come close to being as bad as him. People wonder why Miles runs such a retarded offense, look no further than who he has at QB and pass blocking. What choice does he have but to run a retarded offense. Can't run normal pass plays when you can't block or pass.
Posted by nf
Portland, OR
Member since Oct 2012
520 posts
Posted on 1/4/13 at 12:18 am to
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doesn't need to go far. Only need two yards for a 1st down. Complete that pass and the game is over.


My point was that he wasn't going to take it to the house like some people have been saying. And it wouldn't have ended the game either. Clemson had 3 timeouts. If we didn't convert the next possession they would have gotten the ball back with nearly 2 minutes left after using all of their timeouts.

But yea, we didn't need to go far so perhaps we should have just run it instead of calling an 18 yard pass on a QB rollout to the right side where our line has been getting destroyed all day, all to pick up 2 yards when we had two downs to do it in.
Posted by LSUANDY25
Frisco
Member since Dec 2012
3087 posts
Posted on 1/4/13 at 12:26 am to
I just saw the formations below the staff definately called these plays.
Mind boggling?
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
83093 posts
Posted on 1/4/13 at 1:38 am to
I just rewatched it. WR was still wide open and that's a throw any Div 1 QB should make 9/10 times. That's an easy completion. That turned a good play call bad.
Posted by loyalauron
Atlanta
Member since Nov 2012
1325 posts
Posted on 1/4/13 at 1:43 am to
I knew I was right about that retarded I formation shite.

Why do we do this crap? Not exactly in this situation per se (I get we were trying to sell that it was a run), but we almost never send more than 2 guys wide. Do it. 3 or 4 wide. Or 3 wide with a guy running out of the backfield.. We'd do a lot better on passing downs that way.
Posted by 1BIGTigerFan
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Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 1/4/13 at 2:03 am to
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you drop back two more times after being reluctant to pass all damn year????

fricking bizarre

This is the winner for me...
Posted by nf
Portland, OR
Member since Oct 2012
520 posts
Posted on 1/4/13 at 2:05 am to
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I just rewatched it. WR was still wide open and that's a throw any Div 1 QB should make 9/10 times. That's an easy completion. That turned a good play call bad.



I disagree, given that there's a defender in the path of the throw trying to bat it down. But even if it were true I'd have to wonder why a program with as much recruiting power as LSU is playing a quarterback who isn't even fit to play DIV 1 ball, much less at a perennial top 10 program? How bad are our recruiters if they can't find a QB who can make such an apparently trivial throw?
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 1/4/13 at 2:55 am to
The question is.. is our offensive line THAT bad that Les thinks that we can't convert after a 2nd and 2 on 2 straight runs..

Hell, if our OL is struggling pull Williford in and line him up as a blocking TE and power game it down their throats on 2nd and 2. Forces time outs AND it probably has a decent chance of success
Posted by ATLTiger
#TreyBiletnikoffs
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 1/4/13 at 3:08 am to
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I also would've taken Alexander out, as well as he's been playing up to this game, he had an off game. Put Williford in. He was 100% for this game. He's been a starter and not a true freshman in his first bowl game. It hardly would've hurt.



Williford's not a tackle, and may have been worse actually. doubt he has the feet to play outside.

not saying we shouldn't have gone to a backup though. Porter was listed as Vadal's backup on the depth chart, so I'm assuming at some point he got practice reps there.
Posted by Hugo Stiglitz
Member since Oct 2010
72937 posts
Posted on 1/4/13 at 3:10 am to
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I just rewatched it. WR was still wide open and that's a throw any Div 1 QB should make 9/10 times. That's an easy completion. That turned a good play call bad.

Okay brah whatever
Posted by ShrevetownTiger
Shreveport
Member since Jan 2007
3082 posts
Posted on 1/4/13 at 8:29 am to
I watched it 3 or 4 times...WR still wide open and should have been an easy throw and catch. The DL was 4 yards off with an OL in his way. Mett missed the throw that would have won the game. It was a good play call and the QB didn't make the easy throw. Like was said before, we made Alabama use all their time outs and they still scored. I would have been ok with running the ball 3 times but their was nothing wrong with the play call on 2 and 2, the players just have to execute.
Posted by DVTigersWin
Member since Jan 2013
47 posts
Posted on 1/4/13 at 8:38 am to
Play call was fine. Watch Malzahn and Morris offenses.... They would have called it too, no matter who QB was. Gotta execute the easy plays at your position.
Posted by RonFNSwanson
1739 mi from the University of LSU
Member since Mar 2012
24115 posts
Posted on 1/4/13 at 8:44 am to
It was a great call on first down. I would have liked a run on 2nd, maybe pass again on 3rd if run went nowhere. At least make them use a timeout or two.

Who knows, with less timeouts they might have had more trouble moving the ball down the field. Especially on the 4th down when they called one to think about it.
Posted by jwill37
The Chuck
Member since Jan 2007
1383 posts
Posted on 1/4/13 at 8:45 am to
Mett was pressured all night so to pass on 2nd and 3rd w*s nothing else but sztupid
Posted by LSU GrandDad
houston, texas
Member since Jun 2009
21564 posts
Posted on 1/4/13 at 8:48 am to
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My opinion the first down play was the real shocker for me. I was saying. That's not miles like at all. I mean why not run. But after the 8 yard gain I thought. Nice. Now all we need is a couple 1 yard carries and we can bring in the new year with a great win


same here. imo, mett just isn't an accurate enough passer to depend on his arm to win big games.
Posted by chinesebandit76
Atlanta
Member since Nov 2007
573 posts
Posted on 1/4/13 at 8:54 am to
I agree. The first down call was aggressive and out of character for Miles. After you get 8 on that play, I feel the rushing attack should have been able to pick up 2 yards on 2 plays. I am not sure why we chose to throw again on 2nd down. It didn't make sense. Bowl games are stupid though. I have less and less interest every year and I am sure the teams feel the same. Bring on an expanded playoff.
Posted by JaySlidell
Slidell
Member since Mar 2007
45 posts
Posted on 1/4/13 at 10:15 am to
Why keep rolling out when the DE is running with you ? Stop , plant , and throw . There is a massive gap in between the DE and DT.
Posted by Chimlim
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jul 2005
17773 posts
Posted on 1/4/13 at 10:23 am to
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2:43 on the clock at the LSU 39 Clemson has seven in the box we pass and it works, we get to bleed the clock, it was a good call but not the one I would have made...


At this point, I would have counted my blessings and felt very fortunate it wasn't an incomplete pass to stop the clock or worse yet an interception. With 2 yards to go to seal the game and 2 downs to get it, the obvious solution was to run with Hill twice.

Miles, once again, out-thinks himself and assumes the defense will see it coming and instead risks another incompletion twice in a row besides forcing Clemson to use their TOs.

It was not worth the risk. Even if Hill was stuffed two plays in a row, Clemson would have had to burn 2 TOs, and there would have been less time on the clock than what they had.
Posted by trublulsu
Westlake, La
Member since Aug 2005
304 posts
Posted on 1/4/13 at 11:13 am to
You can analyze this series to death but Miles or anyone else cannot execute the plays for the team. The same people complaining about this series are the same ones bitching about running the ball with ten people in the box and not getting the first down. Mett did not execute the play, simple as that. We have not had a fully dimension quarterback at LSU in five years, and until we get one nothing will change with our offensive production. You can get any offensive coordinator in the country to come to LSU but until we recruit a QB that has the moblility and vision to execute, this will continue as is.
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