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re: Did Les handle comments about gay player well?
Posted on 2/10/14 at 10:55 am to tenacious
Posted on 2/10/14 at 10:55 am to tenacious
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I don't think these two issues are the same, and I don't think they play out in a team environment in the same way.
The same exact way? No. Similar in that both were/are used as excuses for why the two groups can coexist? You betcha.
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Posted on 2/10/14 at 10:55 am to YellowShoe
If we haven't figured it out yet, there are gay people everywhere. Apparently there were always gay people everywhere. My 82 year old mother-in-law confirms that they've always known that there were gay people everywhere, although she wishes they would all just "go back in the closet."
The issue of the day is not the presence of gay people, it is the closet. They've come out and they are not going back in.
So we simply have to deal with it. So what?
The issue of the day is not the presence of gay people, it is the closet. They've come out and they are not going back in.
So we simply have to deal with it. So what?
Posted on 2/10/14 at 10:56 am to lsu2006
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Nice. Continue to make yourself feel like the victim if you so desire.
You've been putting words in my mouth the entire thread. I'm not a victim. Don't want to be. But I'm also not a bigot. I think this issue is problematic. Not sure how I'd handle it, but it would be uncomfortable. Why deny that? You don't have to surrender your convictions in order to recognize a common sense problem. It doesn't mean you're a bad person just because you recognize a potential problem.
I'm not asking you or anyone else to deny who they are. Embrace who you are. Just don't minimize a complex issue by sarcastically dismissing those who dare to view something differently than you.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 10:59 am to ApexTiger
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Why can't gays remain in the closet?
Why should they have to when their heterosexual counterparts are not also required to behave in a completely sexless way?
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Society is never going to approve of this lifestyle so why ask us to openly "accept" this lifestyle which should and always be a private issue?
You say private, but you don't mean private. Heterosexual people are not private about their relationships. What you're trying to say is that you'd prefer they not be open about it because you disagree with their lifestyle and generally find it...icky. Fine. Just be honest and own that point of view.
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Political correctness is destroying the country because we can't even express our true feelings anymore
Ugh...
Posted on 2/10/14 at 11:00 am to ApexTiger
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The rest of us sinners aren't trying to glorify our sins via the legal system... I am not on board with the MSNBC movement...
Matthew 7:1-3
The whole religious argument when it comes to gay marriage seems weird to me.
You and I may be Christian and follow some set of rules. The rules we follow may be different depending on what denomination we are and whatnot. However, if somebody else is going to come out as gay, or if somebody else is a different religion than us and does something we don't like: THEY ARE NOT PLAYING BY OUR RULES, THEY HAVE NO OBLIGATION TO PLAY BY OUR RULES AS SAYS THE 1ST AMENDMENT, THEREFORE THEY SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO DO WHAT THEY WANT IN PEACE.
This is besides the point, the final point should be who cares if a player is gay? If he can play football well and treats everyone with respect and dignity, I'm all for him.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 11:01 am to GeauxTigerTM
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The same exact way? No. Similar in that both were/are used as excuses for why the two groups can coexist? You betcha.
I'd agree with that, but I still think there are complex issues here that are problematic. These issues are inevitable, but there needs to be more grace on both sides. People will say stupid things, but that's just what people do. Don't demonize them. Allow them to adjust. It will take time and it will be uncomfortable. I'm ok with that. I expect it. To not expect it is to be unrealistic.
This post was edited on 2/10/14 at 11:06 am
Posted on 2/10/14 at 11:02 am to ApexTiger
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But coming out and telling the world "I am gay" and I want to marry a man doesn't sound "ignorant" to you?
No? It sounds like a point of view I don't happen to share, but not an ignorant one.
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The rest of us sinners aren't trying to glorify our sins via the legal system.
Ah...here we are. Because you think his actions are a "sin" he can;t be open about them AND you want the ability to be openly disdainful of his actions without anyone telling you that you are being so. Got it.
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why can't we talk about real problems facing America's governmental affairs? Like bankruptcy
Adults can talk about more than one thing at a time, Apex.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 11:07 am to Korali
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The whole religious argument when it comes to gay marriage seems weird to me.
You and I may be Christian and follow some set of rules. The rules we follow may be different depending on what denomination we are and whatnot. However, if somebody else is going to come out as gay, or if somebody else is a different religion than us and does something we don't like: THEY ARE NOT PLAYING BY OUR RULES, THEY HAVE NO OBLIGATION TO PLAY BY OUR RULES AS SAYS THE 1ST AMENDMENT, THEREFORE THEY SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO DO WHAT THEY WANT IN PEACE.
This is besides the point, the final point should be who cares if a player is gay? If he can play football well and treats everyone with respect and dignity, I'm all for him.
I agree,Yes, separation from Church and State are a good and great thing but since I get to vote up or down as An American Citizen with Religious beliefs, I am just saying I can't be on board with legalizing gay marriage.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 11:09 am to tenacious
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I think this issue is problematic. Not sure how I'd handle it, but it would be uncomfortable. Why deny that?
Sure...but why kowtow to those who would prefer blacks in the 40's, 50's and 60's and gays today to go away? The issue is...is it ok for a player to be gay? If it is, then there is no need to have some transitioning period while jackasses get used to the idea any more so than there ought to have been a grace period for racists to get used to having to share a locker room with Jackie Robinson.
I'm a straight guy. I could not give two shits if some gay guy secretly found me attractive. Why would I? Unless he was to hit on me knowing I was not gay, or made some other sexual advance that was out of line (the same as would be the case of a heterosexual woman) what difference would it make?
Posted on 2/10/14 at 11:11 am to GeauxTigerTM
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No? It sounds like a point of view I don't happen to share, but not an ignorant one.
Marrying the same sex doesn't seem ignorant to you? How about Perverted or improper? I mean, - just step back and think what you are really saying before you bash my opinions
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Ah...here we are. Because you think his actions are a "sin" he can;t be open about them AND you want the ability to be openly disdainful of his actions without anyone telling you that you are being so. Got it.
Do you write for Rachel Maddow of MSNBC? Wow, can you spin
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Adults can talk about more than one thing at a time, Apex.
Well apparently Congress can't do any of it well...
This post was edited on 2/10/14 at 11:14 am
Posted on 2/10/14 at 11:13 am to YellowShoe
quote:Why james? Why is it important?
I believe that this is an important issue,
Posted on 2/10/14 at 11:14 am to Tiger_n_ATL
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Alfred Blue sounds like a backwoods idiot from small town Louisiana. We all grew up with them.
Everyone else including Les handled it quite well.
Bunch of dumbfrickery in this post. The assclown reporter didn't release the full context of his quote. It's somewhere on audio, but I'm not looking for that shite.
Another thing, who cares? These gay people coming out all over the place are reaching for got damn attention. I don't care what your sexual preference is, so don't push your agendas in my face. Just go out with the dude or girl you are with and if somebody happens to find out, who gives a frick? Stop trying to make it a spectacle and expect everybody to accept you. The world is diverse for a reason, some people aren't going to like it, so frick em. Stop trying to get sympathy and attention from people. It reminds me of when white people use to say, I have black friends, just to seem "cooler", or not a racist. This whole "movement" is utterly ridiculous.
Just let people notice it one day, keeping it a secret when most people know anyway, is dumb.
I was on Bleacherreport today and they blocked 4 different articles about this from comments, really? Were policing what not to say about gay people? What about fat people, anorexics, bulimics, dumb people, different races, oh that stuff flies all day, but this is taken down like a swat team with the quickness.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 11:15 am to lsu2006
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There it is!
Being a straigh white guy is rough. I hope things improve for us soon!
There it is. Any point you try to make in this conversation is now void and useless. Its like arguing against Obamas policies and you calling someone a racist. Seems to me you are the ignorant one and probably a huge fan of MSNBC. The poster never said or implied anything like this.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 11:16 am to Tiger_n_ATL
I'm from Destrehan (not far from Hahnville and AB's comments doesn't surprise me. We have to treat each and every member as an equal whether gay or not. That guy is a hell of a player and should be judged by how he played the game, not his orientation.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 11:17 am to tenacious
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The real travesty in this society is that you're no longer allowed to say how you really feel about this issue. You're basically forced to tiptoe around it, and you're not allowed to feel uncomfortable with it. Unless you completely embrace it, you're a bigot. Forget the fact that it adds a complicated and undoubtedly uncomfortable element to the team. You can think it, but you better not say it or you'll be labelled and the wave of public opinion will turn against you. Seems to me that there will be those who feel uncomfortable with it, and they should have the right to be uncomfortable without having to pay for it.
THIS, THIS, AND SOME MORE THISPosted on 2/10/14 at 11:23 am to ApexTiger
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Marrying the same sex doesn't seem ignorant to you?
Still no. But keep asking the same question in different ways.
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How about Perverted or improper?
No....
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I mean, - just step back and think what you are really saying before you bash my opinions
And? I do not have any religious reasons to think this way, and therefore I do not. While I personally am not attracted to men, I also understand that at no point did I choose to be attracted to girls. I just always was from the time I started feeling sexual feelings. Since I'm not a dick, I have no reason to assume my attraction was a natural one while the attractions homosexuals feel is unnatural or one they choose. So...while I don;t share they attractions I support their right to be as happy or as miserable in marriage as we heterosexuals. The fact that I don not share their sexual attractions does not mean I ought to have the right to deny them the same rights I have.
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Do you write for Rachel Maddow of MSNBC?
No...advertising and graphic design work.. You?
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Well apparently Congress can't do any of it well...
Congrats...we've found common ground.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 11:27 am to vodkacop
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There it is. Any point you try to make in this conversation is now void and useless. Its like arguing against Obamas policies and you calling someone a racist. Seems to me you are the ignorant one and probably a huge fan of MSNBC. The poster never said or implied anything like this.
I hate Obama and MSNBC, but thanks for playing!
Posted on 2/10/14 at 11:32 am to sumtimeitbeslikedat
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The real travesty in this society is that you're no longer allowed to say how you really feel about this issue. You're basically forced to tiptoe around it, and you're not allowed to feel uncomfortable with it. Unless you completely embrace it, you're a bigot. Forget the fact that it adds a complicated and undoubtedly uncomfortable element to the team. You can think it, but you better not say it or you'll be labelled and the wave of public opinion will turn against you. Seems to me that there will be those who feel uncomfortable with it, and they should have the right to be uncomfortable without having to pay for it.
Imagine that! You say that you hate people for who they are and people reciprocate in response! It's almost like they're people too!
Posted on 2/10/14 at 11:46 am to GeauxTigerTM
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The issue is...is it ok for a player to be gay?
If life was only that simple, but I'm pretty sure any team officials thinking of drafting him are going to dig a little deeper into it than that.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 11:53 am to Lonnie4LSU
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If life was only that simple, but I'm pretty sure any team officials thinking of drafting him are going to dig a little deeper into it than that.
Sure...but my point is that the main factor is it alright for a player to be a gay man? Are gay men equal and should they have the ability to play in the league? If the answer is yes, than everything that comes forth ought to serve that end. There should be no hemming and hawing about how will those who disagree act about it. Tell them to go piss up a rope and move on. The only reason this continues to be such a topic where these players feel the need to come out is because there IS such a huge negative reaction by just doing do.
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