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re: Defensive depth chart w/ questions (Football)
Posted on 6/12/19 at 12:02 pm to thunderbird1100
Posted on 6/12/19 at 12:02 pm to thunderbird1100
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According to defensive efficiency metrics.
I will stick with the ranking everyone acknowledges when ranking defenses. 25th in total defense and 26th in points allowed.
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Posted on 6/12/19 at 12:05 pm to Topwater Trout
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I will stick with the ranking everyone acknowledges when ranking defenses. 25th in total defense and 26th in points allowed.
You mean the ranking people who dont understand statistics will use because they dont realize "Scoring defense" is affected by many outliers completely unrelated to the defense itself like field position, how your offense does, etc...
Scoring defense measuring "how good a defense is" is like taking PPG for a player in the NBA and saying that's how good a player is offensively - what about how efficient they are scoring the ball...etc?
Is a player scoring 24ppg better offensively than a player scoring 20pgg when the 24ppg is shooting 35% from the floor while the other player is shooting 50% @ 20ppg?
This post was edited on 6/12/19 at 12:07 pm
Posted on 6/12/19 at 12:06 pm to SammyTiger
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Outside the A&M game this defense was a top 10 defense and why we won games.
He could have stopped A&M on the 90 yd drive and we never play OT...usually top 10 defenses don't allow those kind of drives.
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He has also had to coach through the fall out of our DL recruiting mess that Chief and Brick left on their way out.
I agree this really hurts his style bc he isn't big on blitzing
Posted on 6/12/19 at 12:06 pm to Topwater Trout
12 games averaging 17.4 PPG
1 game giving up 72 in triple overtime.
Again, if you don’t understand how outliers effect statistics than you don’t belong in a conversation about said statistics
1 game giving up 72 in triple overtime.
Again, if you don’t understand how outliers effect statistics than you don’t belong in a conversation about said statistics
This post was edited on 6/12/19 at 12:07 pm
Posted on 6/12/19 at 12:08 pm to Topwater Trout
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He could have stopped A&M on the 90 yd drive and we never play OT...usually top 10 defenses don't allow those kind of drives.
And Alabama could have stopped Clemson from throwing up 44, but they didnt and I guess their defense sucks too.
The A&M game wasn't bad defensively in regulation, unfortunate final drive we thought we had won the game on, but 7 OTs is going to drive a simple stat like "scoring defense" way up when you get 7 damn shots from the opponent's 25 yard line. That was holding them to a FG fairly early on in that which is basically a gimmie in college from starting position in OT.
This post was edited on 6/12/19 at 12:09 pm
Posted on 6/12/19 at 12:08 pm to Topwater Trout
So you’re gonna base your assessment of Aranda’s ability off of 1 drive?
Also please show me a top defense without a dominant DL?
the Top 2 scoring defenses each had multiple first round picks on their DL.
Also please show me a top defense without a dominant DL?
the Top 2 scoring defenses each had multiple first round picks on their DL.
This post was edited on 6/12/19 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 6/12/19 at 12:11 pm to SammyTiger
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if you don’t understand how outliers effect statistics than you don’t belong in a conversation about said statistics
Outside the A&M game this defense was a top 10 defense and why we won games.
this is an oulier...should we throw out the offensive stats vs bama and see what the offense was ranked also?
I understand statistics just fine. You want to use an asterisk since we played A&M yet I don't see any other asterisks for other teams. Some teams probably played OT games also...or had key players out...gave up special team tds, etc. It's funny though how when we discuss past defensive rankings it's purely based on either total defense or ppg
Posted on 6/12/19 at 12:13 pm to thunderbird1100
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And Alabama could have stopped Clemson from throwing up 44, but they didnt and I guess their defense sucks too.
according to defensive efficiency their defense wasn't as good as ours
Posted on 6/12/19 at 12:13 pm to Topwater Trout
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Outside the A&M game this defense was a top 10 defense and why we won games.
this is an oulier.
I dont think you understand how an "outlier" works.
12/13 games as a sample size is not an "outlier"
1/13 is which was by far the worst one
Posted on 6/12/19 at 12:14 pm to Topwater Trout
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according to defensive efficiency their defense wasn't as good as ours
At least you're using the right metrics now, but difference between 5 and 7 is basically nothing. Both are elite level.
This post was edited on 6/12/19 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 6/12/19 at 12:16 pm to Topwater Trout
If a guy averages under 19 PPG in 36/37 games I will Consider 74 points an outlier
If you want to evaluate performance you have to consider that.
We played more OT than any team besides A&M
If you want to evaluate performance you have to consider that.
We played more OT than any team besides A&M
Posted on 6/12/19 at 12:16 pm to SammyTiger
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So you’re gonna base your assessment of Aranda’s ability off of 1 drive?
no do you remember ND in 2018 bowl game? How many games have we been in position to win if our defense held the opponent on the last drive? IDK I am just asking...I know twice our defense didn't come through when we needed them.
I am saying I think Aranda is great but I haven't seen him live up to the top salary yet. I wan't more. Wisconsins defense got better when he left...how?
Posted on 6/12/19 at 12:18 pm to Topwater Trout
I dont Know what more you wanted Aranda to do in that last drive of the NF game.
We had 2 players in position to make the tackle and neither did.
Our offense has been blanked probably as many times as our defense has “blown” a game.
We had 2 players in position to make the tackle and neither did.
Our offense has been blanked probably as many times as our defense has “blown” a game.
This post was edited on 6/12/19 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 6/12/19 at 12:20 pm to SammyTiger
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If you want to evaluate performance you have to consider that.
I do and I still think a top 10 defense would've come up with a stop in OT or on the last drive of the game. I am sorry I expect more out of our defense. Hopefully the offense will start pulling their weight this year but we all know the strength of our team since Saban has been defense outside of a few years...or as you like to say outliers
Posted on 6/12/19 at 12:21 pm to Topwater Trout
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Wisconsins defense got better when he left...how?
Did it?
Using defensive efficiency rankings:
2018 - 29th
2017 - 4th
2016 - 7th
2015 - 4th (Last year for Aranda at Wisconsin)
Looks like it was about the same for 2 years after he left then tumbled a lot down this past season
Posted on 6/12/19 at 12:22 pm to SammyTiger
TBH I was pissed O didn't go for the TD but I still think we should have stopped ND from getting a TD. The defense let us down on the last drive. Who are we to blame...the players?
Posted on 6/12/19 at 12:22 pm to Topwater Trout
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I do and I still think a top 10 defense would've come up with a stop in OT or on the last drive of the game. I am sorry I expect more out of our defense. Hopefully the offense will start pulling their weight this year but we all know the strength of our team since Saban has been defense outside of a few years...or as you like to say outliers
To be fair the defense thought they won that game multiple times, until the refs said nope. Kind of tough on a team to continually think you've won, celebrate, then have to go back there and do it again and again and again.
Not saying the defense played well overall, but they made a lot of big plays to hopefully end the game and it just didn't turn out that way for us. Ultimately we lost because the refs decided they wanted A&M to win on that rouge PI flag on Greedy on the final 2 point.
This post was edited on 6/12/19 at 12:27 pm
Posted on 6/12/19 at 12:23 pm to Topwater Trout
All Aranda can do is put players in a position to make a play.
We had players there to make the play vs ND.
We had a CB by the WR and Safety help over the top.
Both of them whiffed on tackles.
And Jackson is a smaller CB, but Battle is supposed to be a heavy hitter.
And that’s only if you’re gonna blame that 1 play out of an otherwise very good game by the defense for the loss.
We had players there to make the play vs ND.
We had a CB by the WR and Safety help over the top.
Both of them whiffed on tackles.
And Jackson is a smaller CB, but Battle is supposed to be a heavy hitter.
And that’s only if you’re gonna blame that 1 play out of an otherwise very good game by the defense for the loss.
This post was edited on 6/12/19 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 6/12/19 at 12:23 pm to thunderbird1100
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Using defensive efficiency rankings:
when you search his credentials it doesn't give his DE rankings...just saying
Posted on 6/12/19 at 12:27 pm to Topwater Trout
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Wisconsins defense got better when he left...how?
Top scoring defense in the country in 2015
4th best in 2016
And they played Ohio State Michigan and Penn State in 2015 and NONE of those teams the next year.
So I’d what you mean by better.
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