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re: David Jenkins leaving LSU?
Posted on 5/31/12 at 1:21 pm to robbdawgus
Posted on 5/31/12 at 1:21 pm to robbdawgus
quote:
Per his sister TCU
Are you serious? I didn't think Dewayne would let him tuck his tail like that.
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Posted on 5/31/12 at 1:30 pm to Tellem
WTF? He was the number one rated cover corner in the country according to Rivals. Why would he leave, given that he has a significant chance to play this season?
It loathe losing talented players.
At least we have homegrown Louisiana talent Landon Collins as heir apparent in the defensive backfield. Oh, wait...
It loathe losing talented players.
At least we have homegrown Louisiana talent Landon Collins as heir apparent in the defensive backfield. Oh, wait...
Posted on 5/31/12 at 1:48 pm to The312
quote:
At least we have homegrown Louisiana talent Landon Collins as heir apparent in the defensive backfield. Oh, wait...
Nice troll attempt but Collins isn't even a corner.
And don't believe the nonsense about his 'sister' saying he's going to tcu.
Nobody knows at this point and if the staff is letting him go then maybe he's not as big of a loss as u think. There's a lot of highly ranked high school players that don't pan out and there's a lot of mo claiborne types that are simply better than their more highly touted teammates. Trust the defensive coaches.
Posted on 5/31/12 at 2:05 pm to beardedzeus
quote:
Nice troll attempt but Collins isn't even a corner.
And don't believe the nonsense about his 'sister' saying he's going to tcu.
Nobody knows at this point and if the staff is letting him go then maybe he's not as big of a loss as u think. There's a lot of highly ranked high school players that don't pan out and there's a lot of mo claiborne types that are simply better than their more highly touted teammates. Trust the defensive coaches.
I am well aware that Landon Collins isn't a corner. That's specifically why I used the term "defensive backfield," which of course includes safeties. And yes, it is still irksome that the number one (and two and three and four) ranked players in Louisiana went elsewhere. Let's not pretend that's somehow advantageous to LSU.
In any event, back to Jenkins. I am not certain why you claim that we should "trust the defensive coaches." First of all, the LSU staff recruited Jenkins a mere two years ago. Presumably, they thought he was promising enough to warrant a full scholarship. Second of all, there is no actual evidence that the LSU defensive coaches want Jenkins to leave or that they have encouraged him to leave or that they are satisfied with his departure. For all we know, they could be petitioning him to stay on the team or return to the team, whatever the case may be. Finally, I reflexively dismiss any arguments that are premised on the erroneous notion of coaches' infallibility.
If it should come to pass (and isn't just an internet rumor), there is no way to spin Jenkin's defection as a positive for the LSU football team. It's never good to lose very talented young players, especially at a position where - frankly - we don't have a great deal of depth, given the loss of Claiborne, Brooks, and Vinson.
This post was edited on 5/31/12 at 2:06 pm
Posted on 5/31/12 at 3:34 pm to The312
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In any event, back to Jenkins. I am not certain why you claim that we should "trust the defensive coaches." First of all, the LSU staff recruited Jenkins a mere two years ago. Presumably, they thought he was promising enough to warrant a full scholarship. Second of all, there is no actual evidence that the LSU defensive coaches want Jenkins to leave or that they have encouraged him to leave or that they are satisfied with his departure. For all we know, they could be petitioning him to stay on the team or return to the team, whatever the case may be. Finally, I reflexively dismiss any arguments that are premised on the erroneous notion of coaches' infallibility.
What I am trying to explain to you is that IF Jenkins is leaving the team then it's 99.9999% likely that it has to do with other underclassmen moving ahead of him on the depth chart. Jenkins isn't going to leave LSU if he thinks he has a shot at playing time. That's just common sense. So when I say 'trust the coaches' I mean that if they think there are better players on the roster then you and I aren't at practice to dispute this. And if there are players that have moved ahead of Jenkins on the depth chart or are giving him a run for his money then we clearly have more depth at this position than you think.
And of course nobody was thrilled about losing Landon Collins. But this staff has done a great job recruiting top talent and will continue to do so. The defensive staff has also done an AMAZING job at developing the players on that side of the ball. Bottom line is defense (particularly the secondary and DL) are the last of my concerns.
Posted on 5/31/12 at 3:40 pm to beardedzeus
quote:From these tweets it sounds more like an academic/discipline/personal issue:
What I am trying to explain to you is that IF Jenkins is leaving the team then it's 99.9999% likely that it has to do with other underclassmen moving ahead of him on the depth chart.
quote:Sometimes kids just aren't happy or don't do well at their first school. As awesome as it must be to be a football player for LSU, it may not be for everybody who has the option.
"No I can't give up no no I can't give up.-boosie"
"Back to the grind. Yea I fell off for a minute but I have a family that has my back and they gonna to make sure that I succeed.#ambitious"
"We all make mistakes but how we make them and how we come back from them are what defines them.-I was told to be human-thanks @natashatche"
This post was edited on 5/31/12 at 3:41 pm
Posted on 5/31/12 at 3:49 pm to beardedzeus
quote:
What I am trying to explain to you is that IF Jenkins is leaving the team then it's 99.9999% likely that it has to do with other underclassmen moving ahead of him on the depth chart. Jenkins isn't going to leave LSU if he thinks he has a shot at playing time. That's just common sense. So when I say 'trust the coaches' I mean that if they think there are better players on the roster then you and I aren't at practice to dispute this. And if there are players that have moved ahead of Jenkins on the depth chart or are giving him a run for his money then we clearly have more depth at this position than you think.
My understanding is that Jenkins occupied the fourth CB slot at the end of spring practice (Simon, Mathieu, Collins, Jenkins). As such, he was in a position equivalent to that of Ron Brooks last season (Claiborne, Mathieu, Simon, Brooks). Brooks saw a non-trivial amount of playing time as the fourth CB. Moreover, when injuries (Reid) or suspensions (Simon, Mathieu) sidelined starters or caused a reconfiguration of the secondary, Brooks inherited their snaps and was on the field continuously. Accordingly, it stands to reason that Jenkins was going play this season and could ascend to a prominent, key role if injuries sabotaged Mathieu, Simon, or Collins. (Not to mention the fact that Jenkins is only a RSF and could have devloped into a starter as an upperclassman when Simon/Mathiue depart.)
My only point being that losing a talented, young fourth string CB in a defense that relies heavily on nickel isn't particularly comforting, especially when there is no experienced depth behind him (the freshmen CB's may be awesome, but they've never taken a snap) and Vinson decamped as well. All things being equal, it would be better for LSU if Jenkins stays with the team. I'd be disappointed to see him go. That's really all I'm saying.
This post was edited on 5/31/12 at 3:51 pm
Posted on 5/31/12 at 4:13 pm to The312
his would be a blow if he leaves.
Posted on 5/31/12 at 4:15 pm to beardedzeus
quote:
What I am trying to explain to you is that IF Jenkins is leaving the team then it's 99.9999% likely that it has to do with other underclassmen moving ahead of him on the depth chart.
He's a redshirt freshman. Who are you talking about.
I'm pretty sure your 99.99% is baseless. He was in the 2 deep during spring.
Posted on 5/31/12 at 4:24 pm to The312
Are either of these guys leaving related to Coop leaving? Either a relationship thing, or that there is some shift in philosophy that they didn't care for (assuming that The Chief is still watching over all things defense)?
Posted on 5/31/12 at 4:30 pm to Fun2Go
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This post was edited on 5/31/12 at 4:36 pm
Posted on 5/31/12 at 7:03 pm to The312
quote:We missed on ONE that lied to us. The others, everyone knew weren't coming.
it is still irksome that the number one (and two and three and four) ranked players in Louisiana went elsewhere.
Posted on 5/31/12 at 7:25 pm to The312
Devall was from Tennessee and had no connection to LSU.
Peters didn't get an offer.
Davis lied to LSU for about a year.
Landon Collins follow poon.
Since you probably LOVE Nick Saban.. did you know 6 of the top 10 players in Bama didn't sign with Bama?
3 of them went to Florida State.
Sometimes that happens.
Peters didn't get an offer.
Davis lied to LSU for about a year.
Landon Collins follow poon.
Since you probably LOVE Nick Saban.. did you know 6 of the top 10 players in Bama didn't sign with Bama?
3 of them went to Florida State.
Sometimes that happens.
Posted on 5/31/12 at 7:25 pm to ECOTIGER
Posted on 5/31/12 at 9:11 pm to ECOTIGER
quote:Short and to the point.
Devall was from Tennessee and had no connection to LSU.
Peters didn't get an offer.
Davis lied to LSU for about a year.
Landon Collins follow poon.
Since you probably LOVE Nick Saban.. did you know 6 of the top 10 players in Bama didn't sign with Bama?
3 of them went to Florida State.
Sometimes that happens.
If factual:
Why can't all posts be like this?
Posted on 5/31/12 at 10:10 pm to ItsThatDude12
He's supposed to be our next star DB.
Posted on 6/1/12 at 10:38 am to ECOTIGER
quote:
Devall was from Tennessee and had no connection to LSU.
Peters didn't get an offer.
Davis lied to LSU for about a year.
Landon Collins follow poon.
First of all, I merely pointed out the indisputable fact that the top four ranked players in the state of Louisiana per Rivals committed to schools other than LSU. None of the speculative pablum (read: dogshit excuses and rationalization) that you posted changes that immutable state of affairs. The top four players in the state of Louisiana did go elswhere. Period. Don't try to pretend that's acceptable. Just be a reasonable man and admit that losing the top four in-state recruits is never a desirable outcome.
quote:
Since you probably LOVE Nick Saban.. did you know 6 of the top 10 players in Bama didn't sign with Bama?
3 of them went to Florida State.
Sometimes that happens.
Saban's class finished consensus number one in the nation. It's acceptable to lose in-state recruits if you are replacing them with even more coveted and highly regarded out-of-state recruits, like five star Landon Collins. Is that what happened at LSU? No. Did LSU replace Collins and Davis et al. with out of state five stars who were more highly touted? No. Did LSU finish with the consensus number one class, or even a consenus top five class? No. We weren't even in the Top 15 on Rivals.
Got damn. Some people are just incapable of setting aside their parochial hatred of Saban to see objective reality. F*cking morons.
Posted on 6/1/12 at 10:53 am to The312
quote:If they ain't tigers they're just tiger-bait. Good riddance and get over it. If it becomes a trend I'll get worried, but right now it's just a great time to be a tiger!
The top four players in the state of Louisiana did go elsewhere. Period. Don't try to pretend that's acceptable.
Posted on 6/1/12 at 10:58 am to The312
quote:
First of all, I merely pointed out the indisputable fact that the top four ranked players in the state of Louisiana per Rivals committed to schools other than LSU.
"Indisputable" meaning one recruiting service.
Your initial premise is laughable.
Posted on 6/1/12 at 11:00 am to The312
Got damn. Some people are just incapable of setting aside their parochial hatred of Miles to see objective reality. F*cking morons.
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