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the_watcher
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re: Danny Etling vs Arkansas (every throw)
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Did you EVER specify in your post with the stats that you were comparing JUST LSU stats? Im sorry. I must be blind or fail at reading comprehension as I don't see it... anywhere.

Yes. This is literally the only thing I posted in my original post after quoting 3 people saying how bad Harris was compared to Etling at LSU.
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Brandon Harris 2015 - 2165 yards, 13 td's, 6 int's, 7.8 yards per attempt, qb rating 130.6, pass attempts 277
Danny Etling 2016 - 2123 yards 11 td's, 5 int's, 7.9 yards per attempt, qb rating 135.6, pass attempt 269

Then you say this
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How does 13 tds 6 ints = 13 tds 3 ints?

Dude you made up 13 td's/3 int's then treat them as if they are fact they will occur. You are also comparing 13 games to 12 games, which was the whole point of me including the total number of games played that you got all pissy about
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How does 2165 yards = 2350 yards?

Again you extrapolate 2350 yards over a 13 game season and compare it to a 12 game season of Harris. Why not extrapolate TD's and yards to 12 games? Because they would be less than Harris'? Is that why?

BDJ
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re: Danny Etling vs Arkansas (every throw)
It all comes down to comparing the 2 and the ONLY way to compare the 2 is game for game where they took 100% of the snaps.

Brennan has threw 23 times, 178 yards, 1 TD, 2 INT.

I guess we should overlook that when comparing games played amirite? Harris was the only QB to play in 2015. You have to look at the big picture and see why you cannot compare apples to apples.

Based on averages along, that would add at the very least 100 more yards to Etling's total yards this year.
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BDJ
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re: Danny Etling vs Arkansas (every throw)
Averages are averages my dude. They normally pan out and are quite accurate. It's simple mathematics. The guy, on average, throws for 180 yards per game. Even if we cut it back to 12 games and did the average, he would still throw for more yards, more TDs, and less ints than Harris , all the while having a much higher completion percentage and qb rating. This isn't rocket science. Its simple arithmetic.

the_watcher
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re: Danny Etling vs Arkansas (every throw)
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It all comes down to comparing the 2 and the ONLY way to compare the 2 is game for game where they took 100% of the snaps.

That is literally what I have done this entire time
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Brennan has threw 23 times, 178 yards, 1 TD, 2 INT.

Please link my post in the thread where I said a single word about Myles Brennan and I'll ban myself for a month
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I guess we should overlook that when comparing games played amirite? Harris was the only QB to play in 2015. You have to look at the big picture and see why you cannot compare apples to apples.

Which is why in my original post, I compared Brandon Harris from 2015 and Danny Etling from 2016. In which they both took 100% of the snaps in games they played for LSU.

BDJ
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re: Danny Etling vs Arkansas (every throw)
Uh except they didn't.

Harris took 25 in 2016, McMillan took 1.

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the_watcher
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re: Danny Etling vs Arkansas (every throw)
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Averages are averages my dude. They normally pan out and are quite accurate. It's simple mathematics.

Are they my dude? This will be fun. Etling has 1806 yards a game over 10 games. That's 180.6 a game. He has 11 td's over 10 games. That's 1.1 per game.
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Even if we cut it back to 12 games and did the average, he would still throw for more yards, more TDs, and less ints than Harris

180.6 x 2 = 361. Add that to his existing 1806 to get a total of 2,167. In 2015 Harris threw for mother fricking 2,165 yards

1.1 td's per game x 2 = 2.2 Add 2 touchdowns to his current total of 11 to get a total of 13. In 2015 Harris threw for mother fricking 13 touchdowns.

BDJ
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re: Danny Etling vs Arkansas (every throw)
Uh, I believe I typed those out. You are kinda slow.

Keep going with the averages.

Average out Etling's:

INTs
YPA
Completion %
Rating

Then compare them to Harris's. Come on brotato, type them out.

Don't worry, i'll wait.

Unless you are saying yards and TDs are all that matter?
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BayouCowboy
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re: Danny Etling vs Arkansas (every throw)
I get that and I'm not coming at this from an anti-Brandon angle. I honestly thought he was going to be the guy. For reference, Brandon's soph year, Etling's junior year and Mett's were all nearly identical statistically.

Etling has had bad throws, no doubt. The Moreau miss as in the degree to which he missed was a regular occurrence with Brandon on short throws. He threw a nice deep ball, but his bad throws were really bad. Plus, 59.5% completion from Etling was not good, but Brandon was at 53.8%. That's really bad.
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BDJ
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re: Danny Etling vs Arkansas (every throw)
People look at the completion differences and say "but, but, but , its only 5%". 5% is the equivalent to the grand canyon in completion percentage.

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the_watcher
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re: Danny Etling vs Arkansas (every throw)
You keep saying don't worry I'll wait as if it some kind of I gotcha told you so statement. It's pathetic and I guess all you have left after getting embarrassed. You said this. Not me. You. Those are your words
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Even if we cut it back to 12 games and did the average, he would still throw for more yards, more TDs, and less ints than Harris

Then I said this
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180.6 x 2 = 361. Add that to his existing 1806 to get a total of 2,167. In 2015 Harris threw for mother fricking 2,165 yards
1.1 td's per game x 2 = 2.2 Add 2 touchdowns to his current total of 11 to get a total of 13. In 2015 Harris threw for mother fricking 13 touchdowns.

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Unless you are saying yards and TDs are all that matter?

YOU SAID THEY MATTER. I quoted it above. Etling will have 2-3 int's less. Same amount of yards. Same amount of td's. A higher yards per attempt, but the same amount of yards. Around 4% higher completion rate. You're proving my point for me. Their stats at LSU are nearly identical which is all I have been saying the entire time. They both suck.

BDJ
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re: Danny Etling vs Arkansas (every throw)
I guess you are one of those guys who think 4% is no big deal. Or that 2-3 INTs is no big deal. Gotcha. It makes a lot of sense now.

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the_watcher
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re: Danny Etling vs Arkansas (every throw)
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Etling has had bad throws, no doubt. The Moreau miss as in the degree to which he missed was a regular occurrence with Brandon on short throws. He threw a nice deep ball, but his bad throws were really bad. Plus, 59.5% completion from Etling was not good, but Brandon was at 53.8%. That's really bad.

Would you agree that Etling's completion % benefits greatly from throwing so much to running backs behind the LOS and tight ends on short, 5-7 yard throws? Our second leading receiver in catches and yards is a running back. We have had games where receivers caught 1 total pass, and zero total passes. Almost half of the total team receptions this season have been caught by someone other than a wr.

BDJ
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re: Danny Etling vs Arkansas (every throw)
A completion is a completion. It doesn't matter if its a yard or 80. Don't act like Harris didn't have the same damned throws.

Its also called checking down. Oh wait. Etling doesn't know how to check down. Nevermind.

UGATiger26
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re: Danny Etling vs Arkansas (every throw)
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The amount if hate towards this kid is unbelievable. He played a good game. He literally had a couple of errant throws in the whole ball game. Get over yourselves and applaud the guy for a well played game. I'm sure at your jobs that you never miss a beat. You're on the money all the time.

You also have to account for the fact that when he does throw a perfect pass, his receivers aren't helping him out.

Perfect...but oh well

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ghost2most
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re: Danny Etling vs Arkansas (every throw)
Outside the bad overthrow to Moreau and poor pocket awareness on two sacks, he played pretty damn good.

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RogerTheShrubber
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re: Danny Etling vs Arkansas (every throw)
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Oh wait. Etling doesn't know how to check down. Nevermind.

Etling checking down was one of the first things that drew praise from the fans, vs Harris

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the_watcher
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re: Danny Etling vs Arkansas (every throw)
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A completion is a completion. It doesn't matter if its a yard or 80

A 4 yard dump off to Guice on 3rd and 14 vs Miss St. would have been the same as hitting Chark on a comeback route for 15 yards and a 1st down? Or the 5 yard curl route he threw to Dillon on 3rd and 7 vs Troy? Because they both happened. No difference right?
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Its also called checking down. Oh wait. Etling doesn't know how to check down. Nevermind.

At times he checks down as soon as he gets the snap and isn't necessary, and at other times like when he missed Guice WIDE OPEN vs Bama he doesn't see it.

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BayouCowboy
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re: Danny Etling vs Arkansas (every throw)
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Would you agree that Etling's completion % benefits greatly from throwing so much to running backs behind the LOS and tight ends on short, 5-7 yard throws? Our second leading receiver in catches and yards is a running back. We have had games where receivers caught 1 total pass, and zero total passes. Almost half of the total team receptions this season have been caught by someone other than a wr

It helps, but the difference in the old OC and now is that Cam did a lot of WR screens so while they were to WRs they were not downfield.

When looking at the two seasons you mentioned a telling stat could be how they finished as well. Starting with each QB's games from Bama on: Brandon completed 49.7% of his passes over 5 games with 4 TDs and 6 INTs. Etling completed 58.2% with 4 TDs and 2 INTs (5 games). That includes Brandon's game vs Texas Tech and Etling's vs Louisville.

the_watcher
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re: Danny Etling vs Arkansas (every throw)
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When looking at the two seasons you mentioned a telling stat could be how they finished as well.

No I didn't. Feel free to quote it and prove me wrong if you'd like. You won't find anything though.
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It helps, but the difference in the old OC and now is that Cam did a lot of WR screens so while they were to WRs they were not downfield.

In 2015 running backs/full backs caught 33 total passes. Wr's caught 98 total passes

So far in 2017 running backs/full backs have caught 41 passes. Wr's have caught 69 passes. Wr screens aren't making up that big of a discrepancy.

BayouCowboy
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re: Danny Etling vs Arkansas (every throw)
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When looking at the two seasons you mentioned(,) a telling stat could be how they finished as well.

My fault. I left out a comma. In reference to those two seasons, you can see how they finished.

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