re: Dandy's position battles - offensive center

Magee started a number of games last year with Weathersby out. I thought he did a good job.

Why don't you start another thread to bash the LSU head coach over something he has already remedied. This thread is not about the LSU coach.

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well I certainly would vet the coach to know he is going to motion the entire fricking offense and knowing how much we are lacking depth that could be an issue. . Great hire on O's part.

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Canada was hired in mid-December 2016

We lacked depth on the OL because:

- The day before Canada was hired, Chidi Okeke decided to transfer in December 2016

- Andy Dodd decided to transfer in summer 2017 because he was running 3rd string at OC

- Willie Allen decided to transfer in the summer 2017 because TCU was tampering with him while he was enrolled here

- Seth Stewart decided to quit as soon as he showed up from the signing class in July 2017

- Maea Teheuma got kicked off the team right before the season started in August 2017

- Malone got hurt halfway through the 2017 season and missed basically the entire second half of the season



So there's your OL timeline on what happenend in the time they hired Canada, and the reason why our line got depleted depth wise in that time frame.

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So there's your OL timeline on what happenend in the time they hired Canada, and the reason why our line got depleted depth wise in that time frame

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oh I was told the lines were depleted due to Les Miles.

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quote: Damn must have been a rough camp with only 6 olinemen on top of having to do the Canada line shifts.

no kidding. What was O thinking hiring him knowing all this.

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Inexperience. He picked the wrong offensive coordinator. These are the pitfalls for hiring a new HC for such a giant program. Im not sure Alleva is competent enough to even understand this turnover has consequences.The risk he took to get rid of Miles for O, was really just sad. He put the entire LSu family and football program at risk. He only had a yr and a half to find a more experienced successful HC, increasing LSU's probability for success. Pitiful.
Remember, this is the guy that refused to keep Chavis against the HC wishes. Then had the audacity to not allow him to hire Aranda, altho was cool with him interviewing him and knowing the salary requirement up front. SMH. He forced Miles to waste time finding a guy in the heart of the recruiting season. Knowing he was going to turn down Miles first choice. Miles is then forced to get on with the hire and get back to business at hand so he hires Kevin Steele. That great move by Alleva meant LSU had 3 Dc's in 3 years. Which is laughable for a program like LSu's in 2015 trying to keep up with Bama. What the f@@@. Why isnt Alabama this incompetent? Can you imagine working for a boss like this? And then have to win 10 games EVERY year in the SEC west and beat Saban with this kind of support.

Lucked out that Arranda was still available the next year and has proven to be one of the very best in the business. If this wouldve turned out to be a Matt Canada hire........ but it didnt.

LSu continues to dodge major bombs they aim at themselves
with their poor leadership.

Hopefully O turns out to be the guy, altho that will save Alleva's butt, its what LSU needs to happen. LSU will know at the end of this recruiting cycle 1 way or the other, if O can handle this hot seat job.

But as for as Coach O goes, he screwed up the OC hire but he didnt try to politicize it. He admitted it, fired him and moved on. That was the right move for a self inflicted mistake. These things happen, all you can do is press forward with your agenda and philosophy without being a sell out. Hopefully he learned form this and wont put the program through all this next time he needs a coordinator. Coach O deserves some credit for this even if he couldnt stand another second working with loud mouth Canada.
Even if Ensminger, who hasnt been an OC in many years, turns out to be the right guy, to lose a yr with 2 freshmen new QB's heading into such an important season and forcing them to learn another system is just not what big time programs do.
Luckily getting getting Burrow may save the season and the whole damn thing.
Luck and circumstance may be at play to save all these program crippling self inflicted wounds.

Lets hope lady luck continues to shine on the program and Burrow leads us to a top 10 ranking and Coach O and E have long successful tenures at LSU. As far as Alleva goes, its hard to hope for any success for this clown, but 1 cant have it both ways sometimes.

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I don’t think it’s that bold to think the OL should be pretty good this year.

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I would say better based on the addition of the new O-line coach alone.

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Brumfield, Charles, Ingram = 3 starters (math is hard) Lewis and Traore have substantial experience (JUCO) Magee, Campbell, Lloyd have many years in the program Deculus played in most games last year

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From Phil Steele:

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Most experienced SEC offensive lines

Note: The number in parentheses is the ranking among all FBS teams.
1.Florida (9)
2.Alabama (13)
3.Ole Miss (15)
4.Vanderbilt (25)
5.Missouri (29)
6.Texas A&M (30)
7.Arkansas (51)
8.Mississippi State (52)
9.South Carolina (62)
10.Georgia (64)
11.Kentucky (80)
12.Tennessee (95)
13.Auburn (114)
14.LSU (119)

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But as for as Coach O goes, he screwed up the OC hire but he didnt try to politicize it. He admitted it, fired him and moved on. That was the right move for a self inflicted mistake. These things happen, all you can do is press forward with your agenda and philosophy without being a sell out. Hopefully he learned form this and wont put the program through all this next time he needs a coordinator. Coach O deserves some credit for this even if he couldnt stand another second working with loud mouth Canada.

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I'm sorry, but O doesn't "deserve" any credit for this. The reality is simple, O didn't get the job because of his long history of success as a HC. He got the job because (a) Herman wanted to talk to Texas (b) Alleva didn't want to throw huge money at Herman knowing Herman was going to go to Texas anyway (c) Alleva had no "back up" and (d) Ogeron's pitch for the HC spot was that he was simply going to bring in the "best assistants and let them coach unfettered."

One of those "best assistants" was Lane Kiffin. Once that part of the plan fell through (the plan that got O the job in the first place), he was in a tight spot. He HAD to get a big name. Otherwise, the ENTIRE plan would have been exposed a nothing more than a ruse to get the HC job. Thus, he hired the biggest name he could get in order to keep from looking like a shyster.

I don't mind the cutting ties with Canada if he was a big problem (though it sounds like a big part of the "problem" is that he didn't particularly respect a HC who's never called a play or designed a formation in his life telling him how to run his offense). But I do mind that you essentially had to waste $1.5 million because you didn't like your "check a box" hire.

Maybe that's more of Alleva's fault for hiring a guy based upon promises rather than facts. But O isn't in a position to have an ego and get angry if assistant coaches don't respect him. He's COMPLETELY reliant on his coordinators and this is his LAST and ONLY opportunity to be the HC of a major program. The best thing he can do is shut up and let them allow him to continue to be the HC.

I, like everyone else, hope Ensminger is GREAT and that the discussions regarding O's future die down because LSU had a great 2018 season. But the Ensminger hire wasn't made on merit. It was made because he, like O, had no real other options and thus, he was unlikely to challenge or disrespect O.

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A little misleading. We return 3 starters, but they've only been starters for 1 season. Auburn is only returning 1 starter, but that guy probably has a lot of starts under his belt. I would take 3 returning starters over 1 any day of the week

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That's true and experience should not be confused with talent either. I was just pointing out that just based on number of starts by returning players we are 119th in CFB which is very significant.

I agree, Auburn is in a more difficult position which is why I'm a little more optimistic about our chances @Auburn.