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re: "Dales Brown's Memoirs from LSU Basketball"
Posted on 3/12/15 at 2:23 pm to basiletiger
Posted on 3/12/15 at 2:23 pm to basiletiger
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Those last four years were some of the worst basketball games I've ever witnessed.
they weren't good years but that wasn't a time of instant gratification either, he put us on the map therefore earning a little due consideration, now you've got mafia type booster clubs calling the shots and throwing around money to get things done the way they want them as opposed to sticking with a thought out plan, more or less buying success, which was not the way back then
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Posted on 3/12/15 at 2:24 pm to danfraz
I was expecting you guys to say that yall were traveling to see the number one freshman in the country play in Brooklyn also. In case yall didn't know, the Tigers will be in the prestigious tourney in November.
Posted on 3/12/15 at 2:33 pm to danfraz
Basile, in my opinion Brady's final four team is directly related to Dale. When Dale arrived , LSU did not have any African American players on the team. The first kid he recruited was Collis Temple. Recruiting Collis led to Kenny Higgs, who led to Rudy and the other guys that formed the success of the late 70s and early 80s. Without that history of success, you don't get the CJs and Shaqs, let alone the guys Brady coached. Finally , the meat of Brady's final four team were kids Collis Temple funneled to LSU. If Dale doesn't recruit Collis or otherwise didn't invest in his personal development, Collis doesn't send those kids to LSU. Dale had a vision and saw the big picture relative LSU basketball. I agree that X/O wise he wasn't the best , but he built the program and brought it to the highest levels. There was a point in the early 90s where LSU, North Catolina and Gtown were the only three schools to make the NCAA tourney 15 consecutive years (or something like that).
Posted on 3/12/15 at 2:36 pm to basiletiger
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Those first couple years john Brady had horrific squads due to scholarship sanctions imposed from Dale Brown.
Remember Lester Earl admitted that he lied to NCAA, which caused the scholarships sanction for the Tigers.
Posted on 3/12/15 at 3:18 pm to TheRoarRestoredInBR
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The Geert, Gipson, Owens, 1994 team continuing the NCAA tourney streak after Shaq's departure, was an excellent season, and adjusting on the fly.
It was '93 but I agree with your point. Dale had a 15 year post-season run at LSU that may never be matched. He has more victories over Kentucky than any coach in History and from '78-'93 averaged nearly a victory per season over UK which no other school has ever come close to doing. Like all men, Dale had his faults but no way do they over-shadow what he did with and for the program and university.
Posted on 3/12/15 at 3:22 pm to macanLSU
Dale Brown raised the basketball program from absolutely nothing. I grew up during the 80's and every year I looked forward not to football season but to basketball. We owe him a debt of gratitude for putting the program at the point that whiners like basiletiger can complain about losing records when before those losing records were the norm.
Yes, some of his competitive fire had lessened. But also, in his last years LSU was gutted by NCAA sanctions over the recruitment of Lester Earl. The NCAA had a known vendetta against Dale Brown and Lester Earl apologized later to Dale Brown.
We should be praising him not criticizing him. And yes, I read the book, and it's good.
Yes, some of his competitive fire had lessened. But also, in his last years LSU was gutted by NCAA sanctions over the recruitment of Lester Earl. The NCAA had a known vendetta against Dale Brown and Lester Earl apologized later to Dale Brown.
We should be praising him not criticizing him. And yes, I read the book, and it's good.
Posted on 3/12/15 at 4:22 pm to Tyrusrex
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Dale Brown raised the basketball program from absolutely nothing. I grew up during the 80's and every year I looked forward not to football season but to basketball. We owe him a debt of gratitude for putting the program at the point that whiners like basiletiger can complain about losing records when before those losing records were the norm. Yes, some of his competitive fire had lessened. But also, in his last years LSU was gutted by NCAA sanctions over the recruitment of Lester Earl. The NCAA had a known vendetta against Dale Brown and Lester Earl apologized later to Dale Brown. We should be praising him not criticizing him. And yes, I read the book, and it's good
Posted on 3/12/15 at 4:44 pm to OC504
The sanctions affected Brady's first 3 years not brown's last 4. Those last four years were gut wrenching to watch as tulane, usl, and Louisiana tech all fared better than our tigers. For all the good he brought to the program, there were also some horrible years. Just stating the obvious. Don't get your panties in a wad because of it. Great motivator, great recruiter.
I'm a big time fan of Johnny Jones, LSU basketball is on the rise. Ben Simmons. Enough said
I'm a big time fan of Johnny Jones, LSU basketball is on the rise. Ben Simmons. Enough said
This post was edited on 3/12/15 at 4:47 pm
Posted on 3/12/15 at 4:53 pm to 777Tiger
There were def mafia type boosters back then. Example: Fab Five, UNLV, Miaimi Football, etc etc.
Posted on 3/12/15 at 4:55 pm to basiletiger
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There were def mafia type boosters back then
not at LSU, TAF was a baby, not much stroke, UNLV, UM --real mafia
Posted on 3/12/15 at 5:02 pm to 777Tiger
That man does not B.S. anyone. A great man, surely one to meet. to the man.
to the man. Posted on 3/12/15 at 5:29 pm to ginms
I'm not bashing him by any means. Let's not get it twisted. Was just stating the obvious during those bad years. I became a big time fan during that 1990 season. Was too young to follow the over achievers in the mid 80's.
Posted on 3/12/15 at 5:36 pm to basiletiger
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I'm not bashing him by any means.
you really are in a passive aggressive way
you won't get off of how much you think he had a negative impact on this program, given the day and age, this day and age for that matter, he had more balls than Nick, Les, Skip, and certainly Joe, combined, he was actually kind of a Skip for his time because no one really heard much about LSU basketball before him, and very little since, everyone has their opinion though Posted on 3/12/15 at 6:26 pm to 777Tiger
To compare he and skip is laughable, unless you are just speaking of putting their respective sports back on the map. Skip is arguably one of the greatest baseball coaches of all time.
Posted on 3/12/15 at 6:26 pm to basiletiger
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I'm not bashing him by any means. Let's not get it twisted. Was just stating the obvious during those bad years. I became a big time fan during that 1990 season. Was too young to follow the over achievers in the mid 80's.
So Dale gets all of the blame for his teams underachieving but no credit for his teams that "overachieve.". Got it. For every embarrassing loss you can credit him with, there are probably 2-3 ESPN Classics-worthy games. Basketball was epic under Dale Brown. What he accomplished and did for the sport in this state really isn't debatable.
This post was edited on 3/12/15 at 6:28 pm
Posted on 3/12/15 at 6:35 pm to shutterspeed
I commended the over-achieving but also pointed out the under. Being up over 30 against Kentucky only to lose that game was the worst coaching I've ever witnessed. Props to the years that he succeeded. I think back to those last four horrible years that he was at the helm and had it been anyone else they would have been fired.
This post was edited on 3/12/15 at 6:37 pm
Posted on 3/12/15 at 6:39 pm to basiletiger
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Skip is arguably one of the greatest baseball coaches of all time.
now you're just wanting to spar, that's OK, it's all fun, but as I posted, DB was on the tip of the spear, and out there all alone pretty much, Skip was handed the keys to every thing, including the opening of purse strings, I played baseball at LSU right before Skip got there, no one gave a shite, and to this day LSU is a football school first and foremost,most of the time there were more players in the dugouts than fans in the stadium, and conditions were slightly better than my HS, which were primitive, DB "forced" BBall to the forefront
Posted on 3/12/15 at 6:43 pm to 777Tiger
We can agree to disagree. Purses were definitely open in the recruitment of Chris Jackson, Shaq, Randy Livingston, Ronnie Henderson, Lester Earl, etc. as well as many other schools. It's just part of the game.
Posted on 3/12/15 at 6:47 pm to basiletiger
not talking behind the scenes, talking about bringing everything up to par to be able to bring recruits in and not have them laugh, DB recruited Shaq, unofficially of course, on an Army base in Germany while Shaq was, I think a 7th grader, things like that stand out to a middle schooler
Posted on 3/12/15 at 6:58 pm to basiletiger
Not really fair to weigh the last couple of years of his tenure so heavily. Few coaches go out on top. For most, retirement is usually preceded by a few painful seasons and the realization that the relationship is over. Brown's last years in no way tarnish his overall body of work. Few things you could count on more under his watch than death, taxes, and LSU in the NCAA tournament every season.
This post was edited on 3/12/15 at 6:59 pm
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