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re: Congrats to LSU, O, and the staff for the #3 2019 recruiting class !!
Posted on 2/12/19 at 12:45 pm to SammyTiger
Posted on 2/12/19 at 12:45 pm to SammyTiger
quote:I've said numerous times that both are biased. And that 24/7 is better at hoodwinking the public regarding their bias. 24/7 hides it better.
You can’t tell me why Rivals is better. All your answer just shite talk 24/7
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Posted on 2/12/19 at 12:53 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
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There is no "Composite" until ESPN shows LSU's final signings (don't hold your breath for that) The only complete 2019 ranking is Rivals - and LSU is #3.
Remember this post? The one where you showed you have no idea how the composite rankings work?
Posted on 2/12/19 at 12:54 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
quote:And you have no specific knowledge on how Rivals calculated their ranking. So why are you trying to argue that its rankings are better than the other sites?
Again, you have no specific knowledge of how 24/7 computes their rankings. You have only the vague references that 24/7 makes to the public regarding their proprietary algorithms.
quote:So you admit that Rivals is bias a well. So is 24/7. So is ESPN. So is everyone else. Which brings us all the way back to the original damn point. People like to reference the 24/7 composite because it is an average of multiple "bias" sites. That average gives you a better overall look at the rankings than one site's rankings do.
There is nothing special about 24/7. They are as biased as the rest of them, and you know it.
The only reason someone would want to reference one individual site's rankings over an average is because that one individual site's numbers are more beneficial to the outcome you are trying to achieve. This outcome is Coach O getting the highest possible recruiting class, specifically, a higher ranking than a division rival whose coach we tried to hire.
You can keep arguing all you want, but not once in these nine pages have you given evidence as to why Rival's rankings are inherently better than the others.
This post was edited on 2/12/19 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 2/12/19 at 12:58 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
So why Rivals. Without mentioning 24/7 what do you like about Rivals.
Posted on 2/12/19 at 1:08 pm to SammyTiger
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So why Rivals. Without mentioning 24/7 what do you like about Rivals.
I've said numerous times that both are biased. And that 24/7 is better at hoodwinking the public regarding their bias. 24/7 hides it better. And no, you don't get to dictate how I answer a question. Wow... talk about hubris! LOL
This post was edited on 2/12/19 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 2/12/19 at 1:08 pm to SammyTiger
Sorry Sammy, but Buckeye signed off so Ree could sign on.
Posted on 2/12/19 at 1:10 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
you won’t answer the question because you don’t have an answer outside of “they ranked LSU higher, so they’re better”
Posted on 2/12/19 at 1:12 pm to SammyTiger
One thing that comes to memory is there was some argument on here weeks back at how much we should care about the human polls. The argument was made by one poster that the more people polled, the more you eliminate biases. Those on the other said adding more biased people doesn’t make the polls any less biased and that they were more or less worthless.
Now ITT, we have people saying that because the composite ranking takes into account multiple services’ rankings that it makes 247 more reliable that the individual services. I can’t remember who all was part of that former debate but I’d guess some are the same that are posting here. Just seems somewhat hypocritical to me. Recruiting rankings are about as subjective as it gets. Adding multiple different services doesn’t make the composite any less biased. While I personally think the 247 composite is probably the best, I still don’t look at it as the gospel like many do and still think it’s inherently biased and subjective. People do the same with PFF, another service that doesn’t release their statistical metric they use.
Now ITT, we have people saying that because the composite ranking takes into account multiple services’ rankings that it makes 247 more reliable that the individual services. I can’t remember who all was part of that former debate but I’d guess some are the same that are posting here. Just seems somewhat hypocritical to me. Recruiting rankings are about as subjective as it gets. Adding multiple different services doesn’t make the composite any less biased. While I personally think the 247 composite is probably the best, I still don’t look at it as the gospel like many do and still think it’s inherently biased and subjective. People do the same with PFF, another service that doesn’t release their statistical metric they use.
This post was edited on 2/12/19 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 2/12/19 at 1:14 pm to UpToPar
quote:The problem with proprietary algorithms is that NO ONE outside 24/7 knows what is in them.
Remember this post? The one where you showed you have no idea how the composite rankings work?
NO WAY to verify anything. My guess is as good as Sammy's.
Posted on 2/12/19 at 1:15 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
We all know that. We’re asking what you LIKE about Rivals.
Posted on 2/12/19 at 1:19 pm to SammyTiger
quote:Quit pretending you don't understand. I'm saying that Rivals is NO WORSE than 24/7's Phony Composite.
We all know that. We’re asking what you LIKE about Rivals.
Posted on 2/12/19 at 1:21 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
Everything you can say about 24/7 you can say about Rivals.
What you can’t say about Rivals is that they take in consideration in anyway what other sites have as their rankings.
What you can’t say about Rivals is that they take in consideration in anyway what other sites have as their rankings.
Posted on 2/12/19 at 1:27 pm to SammyTiger
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What you can’t say about Rivals is that they take in consideration in anyway what other sites have as their rankings.
And what you can't say about 24/7 is who and how many "major services" make up the data base. And what defines a "major service". Public ones? Private ones? One's owned by 24/7? One's owned by 24/7's clients? Who the hell knows? Certainly not me or Sammy.
This post was edited on 2/12/19 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 2/12/19 at 1:31 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
You just don't give up do you? Even when you have been proven wrong multiple times in your own thread, you just continue to spew nonsense.
Saying that 24/7 is bad doesn't equal saying rivals is good. So it comes down to you supporting rivals over 24/7 because they gave your boy Coach O a better class ranking. Which is what I said 5 pages ago.
Saying that 24/7 is bad doesn't equal saying rivals is good. So it comes down to you supporting rivals over 24/7 because they gave your boy Coach O a better class ranking. Which is what I said 5 pages ago.
This post was edited on 2/12/19 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 2/12/19 at 1:32 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
Isn’t more than 1 better than 1? Even if it’s 2
And yes I assume 24/7 composite rankings take into account 247’s rankings.
And yes I assume 24/7 composite rankings take into account 247’s rankings.
This post was edited on 2/12/19 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 2/12/19 at 1:36 pm to SammyTiger
JEAUX is going to deflect until you quit asking.
Posted on 2/12/19 at 1:37 pm to SammyTiger
quote:
Isn’t more than 1 better than 1?
And yes I assume 24/7 composite rankings take into account 247’s rankings.
Is 5 Dems on a committee better than 1 Dem on a committee? Not necessarily. In fact, hardly ever.
Posted on 2/12/19 at 1:38 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
You’re argument is getting weaker.
Before it was simply that you didn’t know the algorhythm.
Now your saying they’re taking poor quality opinions.
What makes Rivals anything besides a poor quality opinion?
Before it was simply that you didn’t know the algorhythm.
Now your saying they’re taking poor quality opinions.
What makes Rivals anything besides a poor quality opinion?
This post was edited on 2/12/19 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 2/12/19 at 1:45 pm to SammyTiger
quote:
You’re argument is getting weaker.
My argument is just fine. You've been conned by a slick website that claims to be 'unbiased", yet won't let anyone see how they compute their Phony Composite.
This isn't statistics. It's 3-card Monty.
Posted on 2/12/19 at 1:49 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
So is it a Democrat committee of 3 card Monty?
I get Not trusting the algorithmic you can’t see in theory, but in practice the result seem pretty reasonable.
Stingley os #1 on Rivals, #2 on 24/7 #37 on ESPN
# 3 on the Composite
Seems like the desired effect of limiting the effect gross outliers is met. It’s not like 24/7 is clearly fading their own rankings.
Ther #3 players is #16 in the composite.
I get Not trusting the algorithmic you can’t see in theory, but in practice the result seem pretty reasonable.
Stingley os #1 on Rivals, #2 on 24/7 #37 on ESPN
# 3 on the Composite
Seems like the desired effect of limiting the effect gross outliers is met. It’s not like 24/7 is clearly fading their own rankings.
Ther #3 players is #16 in the composite.
This post was edited on 2/12/19 at 1:53 pm
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