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re: Confessions of an Agent
Posted on 10/12/10 at 7:50 pm to 44jason
Posted on 10/12/10 at 7:50 pm to 44jason
Yes I do and I just hope and pray that none of our kids get caught up in any of this. To say they want is just not being honest with yourself if you think they will not be offered. It is bound to happen all we as fans can do is hoping that none of our players fall prey to this stuff.
Ypu saw where he was talking with Marqus Spears even though it was after he had changed his way of doing buisness and he was already a Pro player. I would like to our former players like Marqus Spears come back and help the players with what to look for and help them to understand that if they are good enough to be a pro player they will get their chance to hire an agent.
Ypu saw where he was talking with Marqus Spears even though it was after he had changed his way of doing buisness and he was already a Pro player. I would like to our former players like Marqus Spears come back and help the players with what to look for and help them to understand that if they are good enough to be a pro player they will get their chance to hire an agent.
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Posted on 10/12/10 at 8:04 pm to CaseyMc2
It is hard though for some of these kids who have struggled their entire life to wait that extra year or 2. It may seem like a short time to us of an older age, but to a boy who has the talent to provide his mother with a better life it is an eternity. I feel for them in the spot they are put. Now once they turn pro I have no empathy. 
Posted on 10/12/10 at 8:12 pm to 44jason
Very interesting.
Posted on 10/12/10 at 8:41 pm to 44jason
If both teams forfeit a win, what happens?
Posted on 10/12/10 at 8:44 pm to trevolution
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The guy sells everyone down the river only AFTER he can't get in trouble any longer
To be fair, most - if not all, of them can't get in trouble any longer either.
Posted on 10/12/10 at 9:06 pm to trevolution
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The guy sells everyone down the river
How did he sell anyone down the river? He didn't gain anything in this article, and it was a really insightful piece. Sure, he didn't have to name names, but the fact that he did drove the point home about how widespread the paying really is.
Posted on 10/12/10 at 9:09 pm to 44jason
That is easily one of the best articles I have read. So disturbing though that it is that easy to get to those kids.
Posted on 10/12/10 at 9:43 pm to efrad
The article might be 100% true, but unlike the author, everyone here keeps leaving out the word "allegedly" in their statements.
The bottom line for me is that this guy has moved on to another career -- he gets a fresh start. By the way, who are those two clients that went with him when he went to the commercial real estate industry? I can't really tell but it doesn't look like those two players were specifically named -- and I doubt the payments to them were part of this article (why do they get a pass? A: because it serves his self-serving, bottom feeder interests).
As an agent, he got 100% of the benefit he bargained for from the choices he made in those relationships. The people he mentioned (and anyone else who has ever had any dealings with him) are getting far less than the benefit they bargained for because their credibility and integrity has been called into question because he had a little "come to Jesus".
He is scum. And he just admitted it for his 9 year old daughter to see on her iTouch.
The bottom line for me is that this guy has moved on to another career -- he gets a fresh start. By the way, who are those two clients that went with him when he went to the commercial real estate industry? I can't really tell but it doesn't look like those two players were specifically named -- and I doubt the payments to them were part of this article (why do they get a pass? A: because it serves his self-serving, bottom feeder interests).
As an agent, he got 100% of the benefit he bargained for from the choices he made in those relationships. The people he mentioned (and anyone else who has ever had any dealings with him) are getting far less than the benefit they bargained for because their credibility and integrity has been called into question because he had a little "come to Jesus".
He is scum. And he just admitted it for his 9 year old daughter to see on her iTouch.
Posted on 10/12/10 at 10:05 pm to trevolution
FWIW, SI went to him.
Plus, Luchs said that most of the names that he dropped were edited. He estimated 10% of the people he named were actually used in the article.
According to Luchs anyway.
Plus, Luchs said that most of the names that he dropped were edited. He estimated 10% of the people he named were actually used in the article.
According to Luchs anyway.
Posted on 10/12/10 at 10:30 pm to 44jason
The guy even looks like the definition of "shite-bag."
Posted on 10/12/10 at 10:38 pm to Guster
Chris Vernon's blog - Audio interview with Luchs
Found it interesting to listen to. It's a 30-min interview so make sure you have some time.
It's obvious, imo, that he has some revenge he wants to spill out and tries to paint what he did in as best light as possible.
While, his allegations may be and are probably true, there's no way he's a saint during all of this.
Found it interesting to listen to. It's a 30-min interview so make sure you have some time.
It's obvious, imo, that he has some revenge he wants to spill out and tries to paint what he did in as best light as possible.
While, his allegations may be and are probably true, there's no way he's a saint during all of this.
Posted on 10/12/10 at 10:59 pm to Guster
"Who went to who" is irrelevant. The pool of players in the agent game is fairly limited, so they probably would have gotten to him eventually. And, the fact that he left the business after some questions about his integrity were raised would certainly make him one of the easier animals to separate from that herd.
He didn't have to accept the 20 hours of interview time. And he didn't have to name names. Holmes, Leaf, Spears, Kiper were apparently not among the names edited. Their reputations and credibility, right or wrong, have been affected on some level -- and at least one or two of those guys have some questions to answer immediately.
Had he wanted to make a difference in the practice of paying players, the places to go would have been the NFL, the NCAA, the individual schools, NFLPA -- hell, even a Congressman would have listened to him if they thought it would have affected the anti-trust exemption (and of course most importantly, would help their campaign). As a mid-level agent, he would know or have access to some ranking members at each of these levels and given the recent scrutiny, he probably could have gotten a little support if he was really interested in making a change.
Instead, he participated in a hatchet piece designed to smear people in an attempt to make himself look better because he's bitter about the way he went out.
He is a self-serving bottom feeder. Irrespective of any truth to the article, he, personally, is scum.
...FWIW, I don't have any problem with people saying the system needs to be recognized or changed. I just have a problem with the way this guy handled himself.
He didn't have to accept the 20 hours of interview time. And he didn't have to name names. Holmes, Leaf, Spears, Kiper were apparently not among the names edited. Their reputations and credibility, right or wrong, have been affected on some level -- and at least one or two of those guys have some questions to answer immediately.
Had he wanted to make a difference in the practice of paying players, the places to go would have been the NFL, the NCAA, the individual schools, NFLPA -- hell, even a Congressman would have listened to him if they thought it would have affected the anti-trust exemption (and of course most importantly, would help their campaign). As a mid-level agent, he would know or have access to some ranking members at each of these levels and given the recent scrutiny, he probably could have gotten a little support if he was really interested in making a change.
Instead, he participated in a hatchet piece designed to smear people in an attempt to make himself look better because he's bitter about the way he went out.
He is a self-serving bottom feeder. Irrespective of any truth to the article, he, personally, is scum.
...FWIW, I don't have any problem with people saying the system needs to be recognized or changed. I just have a problem with the way this guy handled himself.
Posted on 10/12/10 at 11:03 pm to trevolution
That's what you get when you do something wrong, if you screw your conspirators he will screw you.
Posted on 10/12/10 at 11:25 pm to trevolution
This last statement says it all, "I have to do what's right for my family."
He's a piece of shite, no doubt.
He's a piece of shite, no doubt.
Posted on 10/12/10 at 11:26 pm to trevolution
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He didn't have to accept the 20 hours of interview time. And he didn't have to name names. Holmes, Leaf, Spears, Kiper were apparently not among the names edited. Their reputations and credibility, right or wrong, have been affected on some level -- and at least one or two of those guys have some questions to answer immediately.
Had he wanted to make a difference in the practice of paying players, the places to go would have been the NFL, the NCAA, the individual schools, NFLPA -- hell, even a Congressman would have listened to him if they thought it would have affected the anti-trust exemption (and of course most importantly, would help their campaign). As a mid-level agent, he would know or have access to some ranking members at each of these levels and given the recent scrutiny, he probably could have gotten a little support if he was really interested in making a change.
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He is a self-serving
Yes, I agree. He is self-serving. I would not be surprised if a book deal were in the making (as Vernon mentions on his show).
I'm not trying to defend the guy.
Had he just gone to the NFL, NCAA, etc. etc., it's doubtful that any of this would have leaked to the public and I wouldn't have had the opportunity to be entertained.
The name dropping is obviously what sells the article. I consider the dropping of names (whether right or wrong), to be the credibility factor to those readers who aren't in the know of the "who's who" of the agent world. The majority of people who read this article aren't going to know who Josh Luchs is.
As defaming as the name dropping could be and though they are only allegations, it does make you wonder considering the amount of other name dropees that do confirm the parts of the story that do involve them.
This post was edited on 10/12/10 at 11:27 pm
Posted on 10/12/10 at 11:37 pm to Guster
I agree the guy is scum. And I hope that quickly and thoroughly all of the scum comes to the surface and gets removed from college football.
Posted on 10/13/10 at 12:01 am to pitbull20
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To think no LSU player has ever taken money though is nieve. I do find it odd that the schools are the only ones who suffer when they gain nothing from this.
All schools do it. Im just pretty sure there are loop holes to the whole thing. But the whole agent thing could jsut be on eplayer out of hundreds that have played. And a good coach would do his best to inform the players of the rules to make sure this shite doesnt happen.
Posted on 10/13/10 at 12:35 am to 44jason
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I agree the guy is scum. And I hope that quickly and thoroughly all of the scum comes to the surface and gets removed from college football.
Quite the opposite.
I am of the opinion they should allow agents to pay players. It would solve everything. They are paying players in advance because they want to be that players agent when the player gets that big pro contract. They are not paying them to go to a certain school and the school is not paying them, thus the player still retains amateur status.
Proponents of schools paying players wouldn't have to worry about the ten thousand dilemmas that surface when it comes to paying athletes. You know, using tax-payer money at a state school to give star players a significant stipend in addition to a free education, star-player-pay-scales vs bench-player-pay-scales vs hyped-recruit-pay-scales vs unhyped-recruit-who-overachieves-pay-scale, paying the basketball athletes, paying the baseball athletes, paying the track athletes, paying the golfers, paying the women athletes on the women teams, etc...If schools paid athletes, divas would surface demanding more money for their potential, even if they never approach their hype.
Whereas, the agent would be the one who takes all the risk! The agent would have to be selective in who he decides to advance money to and only time would tell if that player will be a draftable prospect, thus a good or bad investment for the agent. It alleviates schools paying money, and diva dilemmmas.
Posted on 10/13/10 at 12:38 am to LSUFreek
Freek, I'm on board with you 100%. That's exactly what I've said. 
Posted on 10/13/10 at 12:47 am to trevolution
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Had he wanted to make a difference in the practice of paying players, the places to go would have been
Sports Illustrated or ESPN, and that is not debatable. If you want to make a difference in huge operations like this, you have to make a splash, and he definitely did.
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And he didn't have to name names. Holmes, Leaf, Spears, Kiper were apparently not among the names edited. Their reputations and credibility, right or wrong, have been affected on some level -- and at least one or two of those guys have some questions to answer immediately.
Umm, if he doesn't name any names, then his credibility is worthless. Its like Canseco and his book... unless the people get called out by the public, then their will be no accountability. We all know that.
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He is a self-serving bottom feeder. Irrespective of any truth to the article, he, personally, is scum.
I do not get this AT ALL from the article. Of course he was paying players and he cannot escape that fact, but his motivation is irrelevant to me, as long as what he is saying is the truth. When it comes to allegations that are this serious, IMO, your intentions are not nearly as important as what you actually say, and he said alot. Whether he is trying to prop himself up is not important if everything is the truth.
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