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re: Concussion Research
Posted on 10/7/09 at 9:15 pm to USMCTiger03
Posted on 10/7/09 at 9:15 pm to USMCTiger03
A "few" years ago when I played, Tight end,I got the shite knocked outta me by a linebacker.
Play was over and I didnt even know where to line up in the huddle, much less where to line up on the line or what the called play was.
This went on for 3 plays......
I was good to go next practice on Monday and the game that week.....
Play was over and I didnt even know where to line up in the huddle, much less where to line up on the line or what the called play was.
This went on for 3 plays......
I was good to go next practice on Monday and the game that week.....
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Posted on 10/7/09 at 9:17 pm to AesopsGators
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Its also a symptom of pregnancy. Do you think Tebow is pregnant?
Yes.
Posted on 10/7/09 at 9:19 pm to catsigater
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Fail. That's an example of a proper appeal to authority.
When you fail to substantiate your statement with evidence, and merely say what was said ("Do you really think your opinion is more valid than the doctors'?"), then yes, it is improper.
Posted on 10/7/09 at 9:24 pm to USMCTiger03
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Try the :16 mark. Players are shaking him and he is limp.
Let me repeat this so you see it again, maybe you missed it.
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It LOOKED bad, but things aren't always as they appear.
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If you were a true fan, you wouldn't want him to play. Better for him in the long run,
This is the statement I have a problem with. Because quite frankly it would be better for him to never play football again. And really, it would have been better for his head if he had never played football at all. Brains do not like being jostled around at all.
I know you don't mean it to that extreme but you can't argue that it would be untrue. But the kid wants to play,and if the doctors say its okay, who the hell are you or I to tell him he can't. Because neither of us have all the facts and that is the bottom line.
Posted on 10/7/09 at 9:25 pm to Drop4Loss
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was good to go next practice on Monday and the game that week.....
Depending on how long ago you mean by "few years," the way concussions are dealt with has changed significantly. What doctors didn't know until relatively recently, was that the brain takes longer to recover than once thought, and they are much more aware of the risk of serious consequences of a second trauma to the brain before the first trauma has entirely healed. Doctors are much mor cautious about clearing persons who suffer concussions to return to their activities, particularly athletes in contact sports than they were even a relatively few years ago.
Posted on 10/7/09 at 9:25 pm to inebr8ted tiger
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--The biggest risk to returning to activity too soon is brain swelling. Another smack on the noggin, and the injured could become comatose or even die
Not the way we want Death Valley to earn its name. I hope he is fully recovered and plays his normal game. If he plays, LSU players should not be made to be the bad guys or to especially constrain their aggressive play.
His Dr's need to do the right thing, whatever that is for Tim's long term health, whatever that may be. I hope he gets to play.
Posted on 10/7/09 at 9:26 pm to atchafalaya
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Its also a symptom of pregnancy. Do you think Tebow is pregnant?
Yes.
Me too. Dibs for the 2027 recruiting class.
Posted on 10/7/09 at 9:27 pm to therocketscientist
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His Dr's need to do the right thing, whatever that is for Tim's long term health, whatever that may be. I hope he gets to play.
+1
Posted on 10/7/09 at 9:33 pm to AesopsGators
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Are you saying that you do because you are a doctor?
Yes
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How often do ophthalmologists see concussion patients?
Not very often, but I just graduated from med school 4 1/2 years ago, so I'm not too far removed from the rest of medicine. It doesn't take a neurologist to diagnose a concussion.
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I would argue that the hospital was a precaution because its a heisman winning QB
So, if another player on the team would have suffered the same hit, they would have just shipped his arse back to Gainesville and let him walk around in his jorts the next day?
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and the puking comes from the flu as well as the hit which had the bigger effect is hard to say.
No, it isn't harder to say, if you've been through med school. He didn't seem to be puking before the hit. And vomitting is a relatively uncommon symptom of the flu in adults ( LINK) unless it's a "stomach flu" (GI infection) which I don't think Tebow had.
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If you want to say in your opinion as an onlooker it looked like a severe concussion that's fine, I have no problem with that.
That's all I've been doing. As a medical professional, I don't think he should play, but I hope he's well enough to do so.
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But when you or anyone else states with certainty that it would be criminal for him to play, that is what I have a problem with.
This is the only sensical statement you've made all night. I agree that to say it's criminal is over the top. But IF he has a severe concussion as the evidence suggest, and IF a doctor clears him to play, then it could be and probably is malpractice.
Posted on 10/7/09 at 9:33 pm to lsutothetop
quote:quote:When you fail to substantiate your statement with evidence, and merely say what was said ("Do you really think your opinion is more valid than the doctors'?"), then yes, it is improper.
Fail. That's an example of a proper appeal to authority.
Um. No.
The question was:
"So do you think your research is better than the nationally recognized Dr that is with Tebow this week?"
So again, is the "research" done by a bored, unemployed Tiger Fan (ad hominem!) better than that of a nationally recognized specialist?
No.
FWIW, I don't think he plays. I don't think Meyer knows what he's going to do, but there are too many unknowns at this point.
At least in my mind. But I'd show deference to the M.D.s and those who have Tebow's best interest in mind.
This post was edited on 10/7/09 at 9:39 pm
Posted on 10/7/09 at 9:33 pm to AesopsGators
As of today he still can not read.... I see that as a major problem...
He needs o take care of his life...
Life without mashed potatoes for brains > Football
He needs o take care of his life...
Life without mashed potatoes for brains > Football
Posted on 10/7/09 at 9:40 pm to AesopsGators
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But the kid wants to play,and if the doctors say its okay, who the hell are you or I to tell him he can't.
I thought Urban Meyer was the coach and would do right by his players. Say what you want... Playing Tebow is bad anyway you look at it.
1- He can't be well conditioned.
2- Concussions of any severity are brain damage. He will not be as sharp as usual.
3- If he plays they will dial back what he does best.
From LSU winning the game standpoint we would be much better served playing him. They will try to make him a pocket passer to protect him.
I just happen to like the kid and hope he does well. I admire his passion for the game and his Christian walk.
Posted on 10/7/09 at 9:41 pm to catsigater
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I don't think Meyer knows what he's going to do
I disagree...I think Meyer knows exactly what he's going to do. Tebow might be out for the whole game, he might only play a certain amount of snaps, and he may play the whole game. Whatever it is, Meyer knows by now...he's only got one more day of practice before the game.
This post was edited on 10/7/09 at 9:42 pm
Posted on 10/7/09 at 9:45 pm to AesopsGators
I just read this:
Wow.
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Tebow was born on August 14, 1987 in the Philippines to Bob and Pam Tebow, who were serving as Christian missionaries at the time.[1] While pregnant Pam suffered a life-threatening infection with a pathogenic amoeba. Because of the drugs used to rouse her from a coma and to treat her dysentery, the fetus experienced a severe placental abruption. Doctors expected a stillbirth and recommended an abortion to protect her life.[1] She carried Timothy to term, and both survived.
Wow.
Posted on 10/7/09 at 9:47 pm to USMCTiger03
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Doctors expected a stillbirth and recommended an abortion to protect her life.[1] She carried Timothy to term, and both survived.
He really is Superman!
Kidding aside, that's an amazing story, especially when you see the kind of person he's become today.
Posted on 10/7/09 at 9:51 pm to inebr8ted tiger
The only way for the rant to know if this research is true and correct is for you to knock yourself out, wake up, start taking notes and then on Gameday go outside and try to tackle your car.
No headaches = Tebow plays.
This is your duty as an unemployed superTiger fan.
No headaches = Tebow plays.
This is your duty as an unemployed superTiger fan.
Posted on 10/7/09 at 9:54 pm to medtiger
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.I think Meyer knows exactly what he's going to do.
You're right:
Here it is:
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"I've been told to game plan with there being a chance Tim can play. There's a chance he'll play, and there's a chance he won't."
He'll be evaluated right up to game time.
It looks to me like the situation is nothing has come up to say he definitely shouldn't play, and if this were one week later - and he were asymptomatic the entire time from late last week on - he'd be cleared for sure.
But right now I think they're simply saying, "what we've seen is good, but we'll continue to keep close tabs on his symptoms."
Since he's asymptomatic, they just have to see if that changes.
I just hope he's honest about those symptoms, with himself and the medical staff.
This post was edited on 10/7/09 at 9:56 pm
Posted on 10/7/09 at 9:59 pm to medtiger
quote:Yes, I was thinking the same thing.
He really is Superman!
Kidding aside, that's an amazing story, especially when you see the kind of person he's become today.
Amazing.
Posted on 10/7/09 at 10:00 pm to catsigater
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"I've been told to game plan with there being a chance Tim can play. There's a chance he'll play, and there's a chance he won't."
You think that tells you something??
There's a chance I'll die tomorrow, and there's a chance I won't.
There's a chance the world ends tomorrow and a chance it doesn't.
I could go on and on.
That quote is basically Meyer saying, "I'm not telling ya'll what's going on with Tim Tebow. You'll find out on Saturday."
If you really think Meyer is going to wait until Saturday after warm-ups to decide who his starting QB is going to be for this game, then I've got some swamp land in the Everglades to sell you. That's not to say his plan isn't that Tebow will play unless he has a setback, in which case Brantley will start. But that's not the same as not deciding until game time.
Posted on 10/7/09 at 10:02 pm to W
quote:LINK
The Independent Florida Alligator and Campus Communications.
"Fencing response" key indicator of concussion
UF quarterback Tim Tebow fell to the ground with both arms raised in an L-shape after the third-quarter sack that knocked him out of the game. The involuntary arm movement is a sign of a concussion.(Harrison Diamond / Alligator Staff)
By MIKE McCALL, Alligator Staff writer
Plenty of uncertainty surrounded Florida quarterback Tim Tebow's status after he was sacked and injured Saturday against Kentucky, but Dr. Jonathan Lifshitz didn't have to wait for commentators to tell him Tebow had suffered a concussion.
Dr. Lifshitz, an assistant professor at UK's Spinal Cord and Brain Injury Research Center, recently published a study describing "The Fencing Response," an involuntary arm movement brought on by impact to the brain that causes a concussion.
After Tebow's head collided with offensive lineman Marcus Gilbert's knee, he fell to the ground with both arms raised in an L-shape resembling the en garde position in fencing.
Lifshitz saw the response on television from his Lexington home, and he couldn't believe his eyes.
"I saw it, and it took my breath away," Lifshitz said. "How could it be the No. 1 quarterback at our home field that's showing this so clearly? Immediately, most of my lab members were calling me asking if I saw it. I agreed that it was, but I think I was doubting it because of the craziness of the circumstances."
Lifshitz hopes that his research will help athletes get the attention they need after head impacts by providing an easy indicator of a concussion.
After noticing the trend, Lifshitz and his research partners examined clips on YouTube.com to see how prevalent fencing was. They watched football hits and knockouts in boxing and mixed martial arts that they knew resulted in concussions, and of the 35 they viewed, two-thirds of the concussion victims showed the response.
Pretty convincing.
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