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re: Complaining about being an 8th seed

Posted on 3/31/21 at 9:37 am to
Posted by Thorny
Montgomery, AL
Member since May 2008
2065 posts
Posted on 3/31/21 at 9:37 am to
quote:

wouldve been nice to get matched up with an 11 and 14 seed before facing a 1 and 2 seed



Announcers were throwing some praise on the 1986 Tigers, as UCLA became the first double-digit seed to beat a 1-seed and a 2-seed.

Of course, they didn't mention that LSU team also had to beat the 3-seed as well. Nobody else has done that.

Posted by JR Hamilsbach
Member since Oct 2010
863 posts
Posted on 3/31/21 at 10:13 am to
There has to be some game theory explanation to which path for a deep run is best over a large sample size. I am unfamiliar with how game theory would be applied to the NCAA tournament. I suspect avoiding early matchups against the best teams would be beat route since games become progressively more even each subsequent round and in theory higher seeded teams should be the better teams over large sample size. Also, meeting a best team later in the tournament would provide opportunities for a lesser team to be lucky/hot or for an unfavorable matchup to occur and give the lesser team a chance of upsetting them before you put yourself in harms way.

Those are a few possible explanations I’ve considered. The original poster’s opinion is far too simplistic in my opinion. I don’t know the answer but some game theory wizard might.
This post was edited on 3/31/21 at 10:16 am
Posted by SeanLSU
Member since May 2019
1759 posts
Posted on 3/31/21 at 11:15 am to
UCLA played the right kind of ball against Michigan to knock them out. That was a low-scoring defensive slugfest. We tried racing them, and it was working early, but when our shooters slowed down, we didn't have the ability to get back up and keep them at our pace. UCLA got down in the mud with them and won a slow heavyweight fight. Kudos to them. Michigan was a good team, even without their star. UCLA is on a really hot run right now.
Posted by tigahlovah
virginia beach, va
Member since Oct 2009
3887 posts
Posted on 3/31/21 at 2:59 pm to
Alt, my point is LSU should have been a 6-7 seed. By raw numbers, you are right about 8-9 historically making the final 4 more than 10-11s. I mean UCLA is what the fifth team to ever do it as a double digit seed?

I'm talking about a team that should be seeded higher (LSU) getting stuck with #1 in round 2. This LSU team would have been better off as a 10,11,or 12 this year. With Florida's draw, we might still be playing. The same thing happened to us in 2009.

Of course, had we beaten Texas Tech and Georgia, I wouldn't be bitching about our seed.
This post was edited on 3/31/21 at 3:00 pm
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
32092 posts
Posted on 3/31/21 at 3:10 pm to
quote:

I'm talking about a team that should be seeded higher (LSU) getting stuck with #1 in round 2. This LSU team would have been better off as a 10,11,or 12 this year. With Florida's draw, we might still be playing.


Possibly. But LSU also would have likely gotten a more difficult 1st round matchup in that scenario (SBU was a pretty good matchup for LSU). So it is possible a 10, 11, 12 LSU may not have even made it out of the first round. I thought LSU should have been at worst a 7. Hindsight being 20/20 you would have LOVED to see LSU in Florida's spot considering Florida had (what seemed like) the good fortune to play the 15 rather than the 2. Then again, that 15 won two games and damn near made the Elite Eight over a good Arkansas team.
Posted by TheWhitemamba16
Dallas
Member since Sep 2018
1089 posts
Posted on 3/31/21 at 6:15 pm to
Playing an extra game is easier?? Explain
Posted by tigahlovah
virginia beach, va
Member since Oct 2009
3887 posts
Posted on 3/31/21 at 8:00 pm to
Michigan could also argue that they shouldn't have had LSU so early because they should have been a 6-7.

The committee has a next to impossible job. I'm just sick of LSU never getting the benefit of the doubt on seeding all the way back to the Dale days. Can you remember a year where you said "wow, we should have been a spot or two lower, we caught a break"? I sure can't, and I go back to 1977 when I was 8.
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