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re: Coach Mainieri's comments after the game
Posted on 6/17/13 at 4:04 pm to Jay Quest
Posted on 6/17/13 at 4:04 pm to Jay Quest
Jay, you're wasting your time with these guys. Anyone with any kind of baseball IQ knows you bunt in that situation regardless of an 2-0 count. I suspect CPM knows it as well.
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 4:05 pm to MOT
I agree.. Let's talk about the worst case scenario for a second.. Hit and run= double play. Failed sac bunt attempt= man on first with one out.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 4:05 pm to Holden Caulfield
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Anyone with any kind of baseball IQ knows you bunt in that situation regardless of an 2-0 count. I suspect CPM knows it as well.
Yeah, I suspect that's why he pulled out the hit and run last night.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 4:05 pm to RATeamWannabe
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The odds of a run scoring with runners at the corners and no outs are considerably higher than the run scoring from second with one out. Get it?
Obviously its easier to score from third. Is anybody arguing that. Im saying that odds if getting the runner to second on a bunt is A LOT higher than getting a runner to third in a hit and run. Like twice as more likely. Rhymes has yo get a basehit to get the runner to third there. You realize that right? The odds of having runners at the cotners with no outs are astronomically smaller than having a runner at second off the bunt.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 4:06 pm to PurpleAndGold86
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Yeah, I suspect that's why he pulled out the hit and run last night.
And how did that work out?
Posted on 6/17/13 at 4:06 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Like twice as more likely.
This is exact science. These numbers have been proven.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 4:07 pm to Jay Quest
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And how did that work out?
It didn't. Rhymes hit into a double play. That doesn't mean it wasn't a good situation to hit and run.
It must be pretty easy to talk out of your arse by using hindsight.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 4:08 pm to Holden Caulfield
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I suspect CPM knows it as well.
He does. Which is why he said he gambled. These people are arguing against coach PM
Posted on 6/17/13 at 4:09 pm to Jay Quest
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And how did that work out?
You're wasting your time. According to our resident laughing stock it was the right move because that's what CPM chose to do.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 4:09 pm to RATeamWannabe
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My bad, thought the the PG86 nailed it. Also thought that anyone that is remotely interested in the sport would know that in a 2-0 count, the batter in in control and the strike zone shrinks, so the pitcher must be more predictable and throw a strike in order to avoid the 3-0 count. That means a baseball that the hitter has a better chance of getting the bat on and putting the ball in play.
Want your credentials. You guys are also forgetting the line drive out double play. I have it on tape RR tried to pull ball 3 low and away.
This post was edited on 6/17/13 at 4:11 pm
Posted on 6/17/13 at 4:10 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
Its a trade off. The odds of a runner scoring from third is astronomically higher with a man at third and no outs.
He was still playing for the tie, playing for the win as well. This had nothing to do with your "home run wins its" because the call had nothing to do with Raph hitting the ball out the park.
He was still playing for the tie, playing for the win as well. This had nothing to do with your "home run wins its" because the call had nothing to do with Raph hitting the ball out the park.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 4:11 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Obviously its easier to score from third. Is anybody arguing that. Im saying that odds if getting the runner to second on a bunt is A LOT higher than getting a runner to third in a hit and run. Like twice as more likely. Rhymes has yo get a basehit to get the runner to third there. You realize that right? The odds of having runners at the cotners with no outs are astronomically smaller than having a runner at second off the bunt.
Are those the only possible outcomes? Was a ground ball an automatic double play with the runner in motion? Is it not possible the hit and run could have netted the same result as a bunt?
Posted on 6/17/13 at 4:11 pm to Jay Quest
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We gave him the bunt sign for two pitches.
And then once the count got 2-0, I knew Mason
was a very heady base runner and he wouldn't get
picked off, and I figured Berg, who throws a lot of
strikes, was going to have to lay one in there,
assuming he was going to bunt again.
Jay Quest, this is for you bro. PM's comments post game. I guess I'm still stupid for saying the pitcher had to throw a strike 2-0 since PM literally said the exact same thing post game. How about that.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 4:11 pm to PurpleAndGold86
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Yeah you're still wrong. Obviously it would have worked if he hit it to RF for a base hit. It also would have worked if he had hit a ground ball at the SS because they wouldn't have turned two. It would have worked just like a sac bunt and all you retards would think PM is a genius.
At this point you are just trying to save face. Watch the replay of the at bat in question. You'll see why.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 4:12 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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He does. Which is why he said he gambled. These people are arguing against coach PM
Thank you Roger. I see you're not only one of the more pragmatic posters on the poli board but here on the rant as well.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 4:13 pm to Holden Caulfield
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You're wasting your time. According to our resident laughing stock it was the right move because that's what CPM chose to do.
I don't think anyone is saying it was the "right" or the only call, but just defending the logic....which isn't far fetched at all even though some are making it out to be.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 4:13 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Obviously its easier to score from third. Is anybody arguing that. Im saying that odds if getting the runner to second on a bunt is A LOT higher than getting a runner to third in a hit and run. Like twice as more likely. Rhymes has yo get a basehit to get the runner to third there. You realize that right? The odds of having runners at the cotners with no outs are astronomically smaller than having a runner at second off the bunt.
You are making no point. Of course it's more likely to lay down a bunt than to get a hit. But, please tell me you understand that the issue is a little more complex.
If the goal is to score 1 run, statistically, it is basically a coin flip which way is better. With 6-9 of your lineup staring at you, the odds probably move a little bit more towards not bunting. With a good count to put the hit and run on, the odds move even more toward not bunting. Add in the fact that if you can get a base hit there, you have a significant chance to score 2 and win it outright in the 9th, you can see why the decision was made.
In other words, it wasn't a terrible decision. It was an aggressive decision that was made primarily because Mainieri believed in Rhymes.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 4:14 pm to MOT
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Is it not possible the hit and run could have netted the same result as a bunt?
Oh, it's possible if executed perfectly. Unfortunately you had a slow runner, a slow jump, and a batter who tried to pull the ball instead of place it.
It looked like the batter just decided to turn on one instead of bunting, that's how poorly it was executed.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 4:14 pm to Jay Quest
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And how did that work out?
....and there it is. There are several simple thinkers in this thread who can't get past the results when considering whether a decision was reasonable or not.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 4:14 pm to PurpleAndGold86
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Jay Quest, this is for you bro. PM's comments post game. I guess I'm still stupid for saying the pitcher had to throw a strike 2-0 since PM literally said the exact same thing post game. How about that
So this is what you're basing your entire argument on? I understand CPM explanation but at this point even he knows it wasn't the right call to make.
He'll send you a memo
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