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re: Coach Mainieri's comments after the game

Posted on 6/17/13 at 3:55 pm to
Posted by Jay Quest
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 3:55 pm to
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Wait, are you trolling

No, I'm waiting for a fricking answer. You haven't produced anything that resembles one.
Posted by RATeamWannabe
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 3:56 pm to
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The chances of having runners at first and third with no outs of a hit and run is a lot lower than having a runner at second with ine out. Get it?


The odds of a run scoring with runners at the corners and no outs are considerably higher than the run scoring from second with one out. Get it?
Posted by MOT
Member since Jul 2006
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 3:56 pm to
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wonder how many DP's he has hit into with a runner on first and no outs?

I don't know, but I feel pretty safe in saying that very few, if any, of those were with the runner in motion.

The biggest risk wasn't even the DP when he put play on, it was a swing and a miss and Katz being thrown out at second. And even that was minimized knowing the count and UCLA thinking the bunt was on.
Posted by Bernie Moore
Member since May 2010
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 3:57 pm to
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I would get it if we were down by more than 1. CPM made the wrong call. That's not really up for discussion. And it's not hindsight. It may be for some of you hut if you know anything about baseball you know you play for the tie there.


To his credit, he admitted he gambled and lost. Poor execution by RR hurt him too. We need the strongest Omaha magic ever this year.
Posted by PurpleAndGold86
Member since Jun 2012
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 3:57 pm to
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And with Raph up that percentage increases.

You might be making the dumbest arguments on the entire Rant for why we shouldn't have hit and run in that spot. Rhymes could have hit into a double play in every single at bat the entire season and that wouldn't have made it a bad time to hit and run last night. A hit and run is used to mitigate the risk of a double play. How can you be that stupid that you don't get that?
Posted by Jay Quest
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Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 3:58 pm to
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Because a hittable fastball was going to be thrown to our best contact hitter when he was in the drivers seat and the pitcher was on the ropes.

You had no idea what that pitcher was going to throw in that situation. A fastball is the easiest to bunt if we're looking to the pitch as the reason for the decision.
Posted by More beer please
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 3:58 pm to
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A hit and run is used to mitigate the risk of a double play. How can you be that stupid that you don't get that?


what happened on that play again?
Posted by LSU316
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 3:58 pm to
We have a lot of geniuses in here and we know all of your opinions....I'd love to know what big league coaches would have done in the same situation in the World Series....It is my opinion that the list of hitters all time that would get the swing away sign is real short compared to the list of guys that bunt.

JMO.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 3:58 pm to
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I want to know why the 2-0 count was the difference maker.


...because the last thing you want in that situation is Katz taking off for second with a swing and a miss. Plus, it's hard to take the bat out of the hands of your best hitter when he's got a 2-0 fastball coming to him.
Posted by PurpleAndGold86
Member since Jun 2012
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 3:59 pm to
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but I feel pretty safe in saying that very few, if any, of those were with the runner in motion.

I don't understand what's so difficult to understand about this.

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The biggest risk wasn't even the DP when he put play on, it was a swing and a miss and Katz being thrown out at second.

Ding.

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And even that was minimized knowing the count and UCLA thinking the bunt was on

Ding ding ding. 2-0 was the perfect situation to attempt to pull the bunt off and go with a hit and run. 2-1 would have been back to the bunt.
Posted by RATeamWannabe
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Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 3:59 pm to
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No, I'm waiting for a fricking answer. You haven't produced anything that resembles one.


My bad, thought the the PG86 nailed it.

Also thought that anyone that is remotely interested in the sport would know that in a 2-0 count, the batter in in control and the strike zone shrinks, so the pitcher must be more predictable and throw a strike in order to avoid the 3-0 count.

That means a baseball that the hitter has a better chance of getting the bat on and putting the ball in play.
Posted by Jay Quest
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Member since Nov 2009
10688 posts
Posted on 6/17/13 at 3:59 pm to
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The odds of a run scoring with runners at the corners and no outs are considerably higher than the run scoring from second with one out. Get it?

Oh well, mystery solved. Now we know why CPM went this route.
Posted by PurpleAndGold86
Member since Jun 2012
11036 posts
Posted on 6/17/13 at 4:01 pm to
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You had no idea what that pitcher was going to throw in that situation.


And you're arguing with me that a count doesn't change what should play should have been called.

Wow.
Posted by Jay Quest
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Member since Nov 2009
10688 posts
Posted on 6/17/13 at 4:01 pm to
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Also thought that anyone that is remotely interested in the sport would know that in a 2-0 count, the batter in in control and the strike zone shrinks, so the pitcher must be more predictable and throw a strike in order to avoid the 3-0 count.

Wanting to throw a strike does not equate with actually throwing one. The count was 2-0 at the time. something tells me he didn't want to get to 2-0 in the first place.
Posted by RATeamWannabe
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Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 4:01 pm to
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It is my opinion that the list of hitters all time that would get the swing away sign is real short compared to the list of guys that bunt.


I absolutely agree with this, but still think that most would look at a guy that doesn't strike out and puts the ball in play and says this is one that would get the benefit of the doubt.
Posted by Bernie Moore
Member since May 2010
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 4:01 pm to
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RATeamWannabe
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The odds of a run scoring with runners at the corners and no outs are considerably higher than the run scoring from second with one out. Get it?


Still waiting on you to provide your baseball credentials.
Posted by Jay Quest
Once removed from Massachusetts
Member since Nov 2009
10688 posts
Posted on 6/17/13 at 4:02 pm to
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And you're arguing with me that a count doesn't change what should play should have been called.

No it doesn't. I would say you can't be this stupid but I've seen you here before and know full well you are.
Posted by PurpleAndGold86
Member since Jun 2012
11036 posts
Posted on 6/17/13 at 4:03 pm to
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No it doesn't. I would say you can't be this stupid but I've seen you here before and know full well you are.


This is gold.

You are so wrong. The ones still posting in this thread know you are completely retarded and some even think you are trolling because the crap you are saying is so retarded.

More Beer and Holden are about on your level. You should hang out with them.
Posted by Bernie Moore
Member since May 2010
1859 posts
Posted on 6/17/13 at 4:04 pm to
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Wanting to throw a strike does not equate with actually throwing one. The count was 2-0 at the time. something tells me he didn't want to get to 2-0 in the first place.


RR swung at ball three a low outside pitch. I tape the game.He should have hit to rt side of diamond behind the runner.
Posted by RATeamWannabe
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 4:04 pm to
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Bernie Moore


Use your fricking superior baseball credentials and search this fricking thread, I already posted it old man.
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