re: Coach Eaux tweet on building the future of LSU !!!

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he ones who don't like O give no reasons except for bigoted comments about his heritage.

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For frick's sake...feel free to disagree with 100% of what I keep typing, but can you guys at least be the slightest bit honest enough to admit that you ARE getting reasons to why some of us hate this hire???

From a post of mine from a thread still currently on the first damn page:

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My thoughts are the same as they were from December of last year. And they are as follows:

1- The non-existent search was an embarrassment for LSU. We're a Top 10 program having won 2 National titles since 2000 and having played for a 3rd after one of the best seasons of all time in 2011. What Alleva did in hiring Orgeron was atrocious.

2- That Ed Orgeron did not deserve an interview for this job, let alone be given it. I've never said that his stint at ole Miss should always and forever be an albatross around his neck. everyone deserves a second chance. But...and this is an important one...people have to EARN a second chance. In this case, I mean he'd have had to go the route of taking a much lesser job and work his way back up to deserving another shot at a Power 5 conference head coaching job. Not stints as the interim which have NO bearing on running one's own program. I mean going to a smaller school and making it into your own and showing everyone that you've truly learned from your mistakes and deserve another shot at a better gig. there is nothing shocking about this expectation and this has almost ALWAYS been the road that coaches need to take if they flame out and want back in.

Instead, he took jobs as a position coach at both SC and LSU and both eventually turned into interim jobs. and in our case, he literally UPGRADED before showing he could run his own program at a lesser school...moving from failing at Ole Miss to landing the LSU job with no full time head coaching stops under his belt. That's a dumb move, regardless of whether or not it eventually works out.

3- That as much as I hate to see it, things will either stay about the same as they had been under the last few years of Miles when LSU fans had become apoplectic at our yearly record (but will seem to be ok with it under Orgeron making a change so much harder) or slowly erode even further because of his outright need for the best coordinators to come in and be the best minds on both sides of the ball while he does whatever it is he does. As much as I hate this hiring in particular, the suggestion that he hire the best and get out of their way and let them do their thing is the part that makes this unsustainable. No one ever said that about Saban...that if he only got thr frick out of the way and let Muschamp of Jimbo coach we'd be better off. It's horseshite and a lame excuse for excusing the fact that we hired a guy that didn't even have offers to be a coordinator at any Power 5 schools.

4- This year did nothing to alleviate any of the above. Almost tanking because he felt the need to interfere early on certainly didn't. Getting out of the way and letting Canada run his offense only proved the initial worry...that the "Orgeron system" only works by virtue of Orgeron staying out of the way.

What else can I say? None of this is said because I want LSU to fail. As much as I love being right, I love LSU football more. As a guy that's been in love with the program since 1982, and whose had season tickets since 2001, I'm simply saying that I hated the hire and worry aloud that it's going to tank, because I don't see any of positives some seem to see. This looks, to me, like a train wreck waiting to happen...and since I didn't expect a train wreck right off the bet, I still have those worries that sooner rather than later we're going to see this thing fall apart. there will be no gloating from me about it, just exasperation that for some of us this seemed so obviously and no one seemed to see it.

That being said, Orgeron can prove me wrong. If he begins to win at a higher rate than Miles did and he does so with multiple coordinators as Aranda and Canada move on, then this experiment will have been a success. And let's be VERY CLEAR...what LSU did and says it's trying to do IS an experiment. If it proves to work over the course of multiple coordinators and sustained success beyond what our previous coach brought, I'll HAPPILY say I was wrong...no doubt about it.

Fair enough?

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Honestly, all that is a bunch of bs.

You have no idea how the search went down. You have no idea at all whether Lsu will improve, stay the same, or decline.

Just a bunch of OPINION from someone that didn't want O to begin with and won't give him a fair chance.

Nomojeaux
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Which is it...new to the internet in 2017, or so hopelessly out of touch that even as an LSU fan you somehow managed to not be able to find this place before December of this year? Because accounts set up at this point which seem only interested in combating what some see as bad PR for this staff seem, well...made the frick up.

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Honestly, all that is a bunch of bs.

You have no idea how the search went down. You have no idea at all whether Lsu will improve, stay the same, or decline.

Just a bunch of OPINION from someone that didn't want O to begin with and won't give him a fair chance.

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Nope...we know exactly how the search went down. LSU wanted Jimbo since 2015 and shite went sideways with King getting involved. Jimbo was Target #1 again in 2016 but was asking for more than LSU wanted to pay (see A&M) so LSU tuned it's attention to Herman. Herman was almost in and then Texas got smart and tossed Smart to the curb just in time to make an offer which sent Herman back to LSU saying he wanted to hear what they had to say. Alleva got his feelings hurt and turned to option 3, which was our DL coach.

Now...the issue is why in the holy hell our DL coach was his Option 3. In no way should he have been above Option 50. But, he was. Again...this is all pretty common knowledge.

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You have no idea how the search went down. You have no idea at all whether Lsu will improve, stay the same, or decline.

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Fair enough...but my issue is we hired a man who has never, not once, taken any program and done well with it on his own. not even a god damned high school team. the only time he's had the reigns fully for his own program it tanked in spectacular fashion. So the point is that id he DOES succeed, it will be bucking HIS OWN trend of failure. There is nothing about that which ought to inspire confidence.

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Just a bunch of OPINION from someone that didn't want O to begin with and won't give him a fair chance.

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Some is opinion, yes. And nope...I not only did not want Orgeron as head coach, I was uncomfortable having him in spitting distance of our program...because I'm not 15 and remember when he was elsewhere and who he ran with. him wearing our colors doesn't make that shite go away.

As for chances...I've laid out any number of times, including the thread you responded to by the way, exactly how Orgeron could win me over. That's what it would take. Agree, disagree, but stop pretending I and others can't be won over.

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Nomojeaux

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I'll ask again...

Which is it...new to the internet in 2017, or so hopelessly out of touch that even as an LSU fan you somehow managed to not be able to find this place before December of this year? Because accounts set up at this point which seem only interested in combating what some see as bad PR for this staff seem, well...made the frick up.

I posted several years ago. Been reading since last signing day, decided to jump back in.

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Nomojeaux

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So...alter it is! No worries...they're pretty easy to spot.

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A rational, intelligent, objective guy would say I don't like the hire but I'll give the guy a chance. At least, that's what I did.

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Because, as you just defined yourself as being rational, intelligent and objective...right? that's adorable!

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A super emotional individual will go on rants for months repeating the same bs, telling us how life is over, O is certain failure, and will jump in at the first sign of anything positive to repeat his misery. Feel sorry for you. If O succeeds this will be something special on the bayou. If he fails fire his arse. Sadly, there will be many miserable individuals if he succeeds and many joyful ones if he fails.

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Except, dickhole, I've posted any number of times what he'd have to do to win me over and if he would I'd be stoked.

see again:

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That being said, Orgeron can prove me wrong. If he begins to win at a higher rate than Miles did and he does so with multiple coordinators as Aranda and Canada move on, then this experiment will have been a success. And let's be VERY CLEAR...what LSU did and says it's trying to do IS an experiment. If it proves to work over the course of multiple coordinators and sustained success beyond what our previous coach brought, I'll HAPPILY say I was wrong...no doubt about it.

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In other words, if you keep posting this, those posters who actually ARE rational, intelligent and objective will see you're a liar...even if they did disagree with me. Continuing to argue with straw men may be entertaining, but it in no way does your side of this argument any real good.

Is O locking up the state?

We have a lot of good players out there not committed to us.

Let’s wait and see.

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I posted several years ago. Been reading since last signing day, decided to jump back in.

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Sure...sounds reasonable. I mean...this is only the largest LSU forum on line by any measurement, so it's easy to understand how a big time LSU fan would have casually come across it only a few years ago and then just forgot about it, only to remember it again last year. I mean, who hasn't done that, honestly?

Keep up the work. I'd say good work, but I'm not going to lie to you.

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So instead of waiting and seeing how he does, to "win you over", you'll just bash him anytime you can.

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Why I'm arguing with an alter I'll never know, but fine...

Ugh...because I love the program. LSU's football program ought not be the place for on the job training, where we hire guys with shitty resumes only to wait and see if they work out...knowing that if they DO work out, it'll be bucking their own career of failing to that point.

We are being FORCED to wait and see, but in no way does that mean that we have to be silent about it. I think it's vitally important that everyone remembers how we ended up here, so that when we do have to replace him our AD at that point will be firced to make a REAL hire, and that when he does we as a fan base will demand that we hire someone with at least a god damned .500+ winning percentage before handing over our top 10 program to them.

Continuing to point out this abortion that was this hire and Orgeron's track record of running his own programs is not bashing him. You can't bash someone with their own history.

Not that it matters, because it'll be ignored in it's entirety, but none of the above made me stay home from a game, or cheer less for the guys on the field this year. I've loved this thing far too much since the time I was 12 years old and got to see Dalton Hilliard play his first game as a freshman in Tiger Stadium. Even when it WOULD have potentially gotten me what I wanted (Orgeon gone) I could never have pulled for LSU to lose. So, no a-hole...LSU winning will never make me unhappy.