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re: CLM's Coaching Grade.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 1:44 pm to The312
Posted on 11/27/12 at 1:44 pm to The312
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What does this mean?
It means when you put a program like Bama together with a coach like Saban you're going to win a lot of games.
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But I would very much like a coach who would consistently dominate his arse on the field, a coach who could beat him 21-0 in one of the biggest games in program history, a coach who would relegate Saban and Bama to second best in the SEC West.
What coach would that be?
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The funny thing is that when you suggest this to certain Miles' feltchers on this board, they immediately revert to the mantra that NO ONE can dominate Saban and that we would never be able to hire such a coach. Turns out the posters who claim to shun Saban are the very ones who are the most afraid of him.
Again, what coach? I'm not afraid of Saban but I'm also not afraid to say he is a damn good football coach and there is a reason why no one has been able to consistently beat him. The only coach that has is at LSU.
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Posted on 11/27/12 at 1:44 pm to stewie
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-Player scandal - 3/10
It seems like every year there is something big going on with a high profile player here. It's a huge problem and he has to be blamed for it.
I'm tired of hearing people say it's not his fault for having kick someone off the team or bench them. Get control of the program.
i disagree. how does he keep a player from using a fake id at a casino. how does he keep a player from smoking weed. these are his fault how?
Posted on 11/27/12 at 1:53 pm to ShrevetownTiger
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It means when you put a program like Bama together with a coach like Saban you're going to win a lot of games.
Right, but you're not suggesting that Bama has some inherent advantage over LSU, right? You're not suggesting that, true? Because it's a false premise. If LSU had the better coach than Bama right now, LSU would be the preeminent program in the West. It's coaching that determines championships, not some mystical Bama aura.
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Again, what coach? I'm not afraid of Saban but I'm also not afraid to say he is a damn good football coach and there is a reason why no one has been able to consistently beat him. The only coach that has is at LSU.
First of all, I dispute that Miles has "consistently" beaten Saban. He's 3-4 overall. He's 2-4 in the last six meetings (excluding the first year Saban was at Bama when LSU had a national championsionship team and Saban was trying to build a Bama program with none of his recruits). He's 0-2 in the last two meeetings. He's 1-2 in Tiger Stadium. And of course he got creamed in the biggest meeting between the two.
Second, as I predicted, you immediately invoked the mantra that there is no coach who can consistently beat Saban. Ridiculous. Saban's great, but not infallible. You just need a smart coach to surpass him. The proposition that Saban is some invincible juggernaut is just a pretext for excusing Miles' failure to beat him in the last two games.
This post was edited on 11/27/12 at 1:57 pm
Posted on 11/27/12 at 1:57 pm to The312
When both teams are at 100% i consider bama and LSU even
Posted on 11/27/12 at 1:57 pm to LSUsuperfresh
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I'll take 3 out of 4
Who has won 3 out of 4?
And this same coach yall love left this program. He was never staying. Hes never coming back. Get over it.
This same coach might have brought lsu back from the dead, but he also suggested us hire nutt. We could have easily hired someone other than miles and slipped back to the cellar of the sec. Then none of you would be worshiping this guy. Actually youd hate him.
This post was edited on 11/27/12 at 2:05 pm
Posted on 11/27/12 at 2:02 pm to rutiger
As an outsider, what most perceive to be CLM's biggest flaw is that despite generally excellent results, he lacks a consistency of "process" (in Saban speak). LSU is one of the most physically gifted, but least disciplined teams you watch and there is a tolerance for results at the expense of demanding excellence. Could you imagine Nick Saban giddy at a press conference after struggling in all phases of the game with Ole Miss?
Posted on 11/27/12 at 2:06 pm to dgnx6
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And this same coach yall love left this program. He was never staying. Hes never coming back. Get over it.
I'll repeat my sentiments from earlier in this same thread: I don't want Saban, I want the coach who can dominate him and relegate Bama to second best in the SEC West, just as Saban has now relegated us to second best. I want that coach.
Oh, but I know, I know, there is no such coach. Or if there is, lil ole LSU could never possibly hire him. After all, Saban is invicible. No one can beat him! No coach could surpass Bama and make LSU the best program in the SEC West, right?! It's impossible!? True?
Funny that some LSU fans have no problem licking Saban's taint and declaring him unbeatable, so long as it insulates Miles from criticism.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 2:06 pm to droliver
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LSU is one of the most physically gifted, but least disciplined teams you watch and there is a tolerance for results at the expense of demanding excellence.
GTFO of here with this shite. we crushed everyone we played last season except the team with more talent....who we still beat in their house.....with Jordan Jefferson at QB
this season attrition killed us and we were forced to start alot of inexperienced players and still got 10 wins in the toughest conference in football. our 2 losses were to the #2 and #4 teams in the country and in all honestly...should've beat them.
This post was edited on 11/27/12 at 2:07 pm
Posted on 11/27/12 at 2:09 pm to Random LSU Hero
Agree with the A-
This post was edited on 11/27/12 at 2:10 pm
Posted on 11/27/12 at 2:22 pm to droliver
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Could you imagine Nick Saban giddy at a press conference after struggling in all phases of the game with Ole Miss?
I can't imagine Nick being giddy at anything at any time anywhere.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 2:23 pm to Random LSU Hero
Do not disagree this year. Good thread.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 2:23 pm to The312
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so long as it insulates Miles from criticism.
Insulates Miles from criticism?
Under what rock do you reside?
Posted on 11/27/12 at 2:24 pm to The312
I don't recall claiming to demand Saban come back. Would I take him back? Yes. But I think a trend is developing in Saban's favor, and I don't know if Miles can keep up. I want someone who is capable of perfection. The way Miles plays games, he wins most of the time, but I think there's always going to be games where LSU slip. Say we beat Bama this year, we could have easily lost to auburn, ole miss, USCe, and Arky. Letting inferior teams hang around in games like that is going to cost us a championship if he's here much longer. I don't want to settle for 2nd best. Miles is a good coach, but with the resources we have at LSU, we could do better IMO
Posted on 11/27/12 at 2:26 pm to LSUsuperfresh
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I want someone who is capable of perfection.
Saban was sure perfect against A&M.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 2:27 pm to Choctaw
Choctaw,
you miss the point. You're confusing result with process.
If you tolerate less then excellence, you become complacent and vulnerable, even when you're playing as well as LSU in 2011. It's the whole kind of "Six Sigma" approach to standardizing your results. As amusing as it can seem for Nick Saban to blow up at 2nd and 3rd stringers who miss assignments when you're ahead 40-0, it sets the tone and personality of the programs in terms of what's demanded of the players. A player as dynamic, but as fundamentally unsound Tyran Mathieu can star at LSU, but probably could not play for Saban.
Again, Les' classic post game press conference after Ole Miss says it all in how these two guys approach things. I'd rather hang out with Les, but I'd much rather have CNS with the keys to the program.
Aside from that critique, I think CLM is otherwise running a good/great, clean program that's kept LSU near the top of the hill for almost a decade.
you miss the point. You're confusing result with process.
If you tolerate less then excellence, you become complacent and vulnerable, even when you're playing as well as LSU in 2011. It's the whole kind of "Six Sigma" approach to standardizing your results. As amusing as it can seem for Nick Saban to blow up at 2nd and 3rd stringers who miss assignments when you're ahead 40-0, it sets the tone and personality of the programs in terms of what's demanded of the players. A player as dynamic, but as fundamentally unsound Tyran Mathieu can star at LSU, but probably could not play for Saban.
Again, Les' classic post game press conference after Ole Miss says it all in how these two guys approach things. I'd rather hang out with Les, but I'd much rather have CNS with the keys to the program.
Aside from that critique, I think CLM is otherwise running a good/great, clean program that's kept LSU near the top of the hill for almost a decade.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 2:28 pm to Random LSU Hero
I give him a B- . And thats good from me because Im a harsh critic when it comes to Les Miles. Hes done a very solid job this year and a lot of big things went wrong early on( TM7, OL injuries, new QB and 1st time starters at WR, etc). Overcame these things with only a few bumps in the road, and still had a great season.
Few reasons why I give him a B and nothing higher is because of that stretch where we played Auburn, Towson, than UF.
Auburn was the worst team in the SEC this year and only reason we won was because we got a safety. They physically whipped us, but we still won.
Then, D-2 Towson comes to town. Again, another win, but for the talent and players Towson had, they outplayed us. The Towson game is the game that annoys me most of all. Should of beaten them 41-3. No way that team should of been able to stay on the same field as LSU.
Then, the UF game. We had big time injuries for that game, but we still came out as flat as Ive ever seen LSU play in a long time. We lost, and I dont mind losing to UF because they are on par with LSU when it comes to talent. But, the way we lost was bad. They beat up on us. Ran all over us, stuffed everything we did on O. Physically dominated us. That freaking toss dive jump pass that we called 2 timeouts to get organized
Those are only the minor issues I have with Les this year. All in all, a successful year and a lot of young guys stepped up for us and gained invaluable experience.
Few reasons why I give him a B and nothing higher is because of that stretch where we played Auburn, Towson, than UF.
Auburn was the worst team in the SEC this year and only reason we won was because we got a safety. They physically whipped us, but we still won.
Then, D-2 Towson comes to town. Again, another win, but for the talent and players Towson had, they outplayed us. The Towson game is the game that annoys me most of all. Should of beaten them 41-3. No way that team should of been able to stay on the same field as LSU.
Then, the UF game. We had big time injuries for that game, but we still came out as flat as Ive ever seen LSU play in a long time. We lost, and I dont mind losing to UF because they are on par with LSU when it comes to talent. But, the way we lost was bad. They beat up on us. Ran all over us, stuffed everything we did on O. Physically dominated us. That freaking toss dive jump pass that we called 2 timeouts to get organized
Those are only the minor issues I have with Les this year. All in all, a successful year and a lot of young guys stepped up for us and gained invaluable experience.
This post was edited on 11/27/12 at 2:49 pm
Posted on 11/27/12 at 2:29 pm to liquid rabbit
You don't think Saban is capable of perfection? He did't acheive it this year, but 1 close regular season loss to a top 10 opponent is pretty close. Give Saban 10 years, and I bet he goes 14-0 once. Give Miles 10 years, and does he get closer than he did last year?
Posted on 11/27/12 at 2:29 pm to droliver
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As amusing as it can seem for Nick Saban to blow up at 2nd and 3rd stringers
LOL
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it sets the tone and personality of the programs
Jerk & jerkier.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 2:31 pm to droliver
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Again, Les' classic post game press conference after Ole Miss says it all in how these two guys approach things.
Im not sure you understand why Miles did what he did at the press conference.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 2:31 pm to LSUsuperfresh
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I don't want to settle for 2nd best. Miles is a good coach, but with the resources we have at LSU, we could do better IMO
Ok. Forgettng your obsessive love for Saban, who would you replace Miles with?
What coach out there has beaten your GAWWD more than Les has has?
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