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re: Cherry Picked Stats of the Week: Jefferson versus Alabama

Posted on 12/5/11 at 2:51 pm to
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
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Posted on 12/5/11 at 2:51 pm to
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He's still right about Jefferson forcing defenses to account for him.


Depends on the offense. The staff didn't do him any favors last week. JJ isn't effective in the pocket against good defensive teams. Doesn't fit his skill set
Posted by Sasquatch Smash
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 12/5/11 at 2:52 pm to
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How many defenders did he nullify by throwing for 30 yards or do those count?


Alrighty, since originally this thread was made to talk about the upcoming game against Bama, here's a comparison to be made.

Apples to apples from the first game:

Passing Cmp-Att-Int Yds TD Long Sack
Jordan Jefferson 6-10-0 67 0 34 1
Jarrett Lee 3-7-2 24 0 13 0

Rushing No Gain Loss Net TD Lg Avg
Jordan Jefferson 11 46 3 43 0 18 3.9
Jarrett Lee had no rushing stats.

It's clear, we should play Lee.
Posted by Rudy40
Baton Rouge,La
Member since Jan 2007
3068 posts
Posted on 12/5/11 at 2:52 pm to
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Moreover, he gained 18 yards rushing the ball.


I stand corrected it was JJ's 18 rushing yards that turned the game around!
Posted by Choctaw
Pumpin' Sunshine
Member since Jul 2007
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Posted on 12/5/11 at 2:53 pm to
we won....by alot. get over it.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
294278 posts
Posted on 12/5/11 at 2:54 pm to
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It's clear, we should play Lee.



I certainly wouldn't discount it being a necessity against Bama. I don't believe Miles should put all his "eggs in one basket" with either of these guys.
Posted by Sasquatch Smash
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 12/5/11 at 2:54 pm to
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I stand corrected it was JJ's 18 rushing yards that turned the game around!


How many yards did Ford gain on option plays where Jefferson pitched him the ball?
Posted by Ryno_Kill
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 12/5/11 at 2:56 pm to
His comment was clearly in reference to the Georgia game.
Posted by Rudy40
Baton Rouge,La
Member since Jan 2007
3068 posts
Posted on 12/5/11 at 2:57 pm to
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How many yards did Ford gain on option plays where Jefferson pitched him the ball?


So haveing a qb on the field that is actually a threat to complete a pass wouldnt open up yards for Ford either? Might be a novel play action passing and then running the ball. Of course to use the play action pass you have to have a qb who can hit the pass not underthrow Randle by 5 yards!
Posted by Choctaw
Pumpin' Sunshine
Member since Jul 2007
77774 posts
Posted on 12/5/11 at 2:58 pm to
JJ has a 60.2 completion %
Posted by Sasquatch Smash
Member since Nov 2007
25842 posts
Posted on 12/5/11 at 2:59 pm to
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I certainly wouldn't discount it being a necessity against Bama. I don't believe Miles should put all his "eggs in one basket" with either of these guys.


I agree with you, they both played well against them in the 2010 game. If we need Lee, we need Lee. I respect that Lee has hung in there with LSU, clearly a good kid. Hopefully still a leader in the locker room.

I'm playing a lot of devil's advocate in this thread in calling out these poster's with transparent hatred for one player on the team.
Posted by Rudy40
Baton Rouge,La
Member since Jan 2007
3068 posts
Posted on 12/5/11 at 3:00 pm to
He has started adn played the entire game against one good defense UGA. What was his completion percentage for that game?
Posted by just me
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Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 12/5/11 at 3:01 pm to
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I stand corrected it was JJ's 18 rushing yards that turned the game around!
Let me correct you again.

Only a very simple mind believes that one can influence a running game by carrying the ball. Does the center have an impact on the running game? Yes, he does. Do WRs have an impact on the running game? Yes, they do.

Similarly, a QB who can run the option can have a significant impact on the running game EVEN IF HE JUST PITCHES the ball to the RB.

LSU gained significant yards on options and zone reads even when Jefferson did not keep the ball.

So, yes, Jefferson helped turn around the running game in the second half.
Posted by NHTIGER
Central New Hampshire
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 12/5/11 at 3:02 pm to
I've pretty much stayed out of this never-ending JJ vs JL saga on here, but to say that JJ "won" the Bama game is beyond a strech.

He led the offense to exactly 3 points. Period. Claiborne gave the Tigers the ball at the Alabama 15 and the JJ-led team gained a total of 2 yards in 3 plays, before kicking the tying field goal.

They rushed the ball 4 times for 17 yards , none of them by JJ, in OT before kicking the field goal.

As far as someone in another thread saying JL came out "scared" against Big Bad Bama, well they seem to forget he completed his first 2 passes and 3 of his first 5. As the world knows, his last 2 plays were intercepted passes, one in the 1st quarter and one in the 3rd quarter.

I think the most questionable play call of that entire game was calling a pass play on his first play back after the first interception. Seems it would have made morre sense to get a running play or two under his belt to get him re-acclimated to the game after sitting for quite a while.

Both sides should give it a rest, but that will never happen. I'm an LSU alum and an LSU fan and I wouldn't care if Monica Lewinsky was at QB as long as we win games. But I just hate seeing posts that imply that JJ did anything special in the first Bama game (all hail to Mo Claiborne !) or that JLee walked onto the field in full fear mode.

Neither happened.
Posted by Sasquatch Smash
Member since Nov 2007
25842 posts
Posted on 12/5/11 at 3:03 pm to
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His comment was clearly in reference to the Georgia game.


I am well aware as to what his comment was concerning, thanks.

I was just pointing out to everyone in this thread that the original post was concerning performances against Alabama. Look at the top, it says so right there. Hell, I'll quote it for you:
quote:

Cherry Picked Stats of the Week: Jefferson versus Alabama
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There you go.
Posted by Choctaw
Pumpin' Sunshine
Member since Jul 2007
77774 posts
Posted on 12/5/11 at 3:03 pm to
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He has started adn played the entire game against one good defense UGA. What was his completion percentage for that game?


why are you focused on one game so much Mr. Facts and Logic? is it because the stats don't support your argument?

How 'bout career....58.4%

do you know what Lee's is? i bet you don't...yet some are acting like we have an all-american sitting the bench. both QBs are mediocre
This post was edited on 12/5/11 at 3:08 pm
Posted by 2007lsuno1
Marietta, GA
Member since Aug 2009
6692 posts
Posted on 12/5/11 at 3:04 pm to
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Both sides should give it a rest, but that will never happen. I'm an LSU alum and an LSU fan and I wouldn't care if Monica Lewinsky was at QB as long as we win games. But I just hate seeing posts that imply that JJ did anything special in the first Bama game (all hail to Mo Claiborne !) or that JLee walked onto the field in full fear mode.

Neither happened.


It is somewhat refreshing to see reasonable discussion on this site. Rare.

Posted by just me
Front of the Class: Schooling You
Member since Mar 2006
34489 posts
Posted on 12/5/11 at 3:07 pm to
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I've pretty much stayed out of this never-ending JJ vs JL saga on here, but to say that JJ "won" the Bama game is beyond a strech.
You are responding to me. I did not say that Jefferson "won" the game against Bama.

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They rushed the ball 4 times for 17 yards , none of them by JJ, in OT before kicking the field goal.
Jefferson ran the option that sprang Ford. That play worked because Jefferson nullified a Bama defender.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 12/5/11 at 3:07 pm to
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So, yes, Jefferson helped turn around the running game in the second half.


Both Qb's have been an intergral part of the offense but not the pivotal part of the team.


This post was edited on 12/5/11 at 3:08 pm
Posted by Sasquatch Smash
Member since Nov 2007
25842 posts
Posted on 12/5/11 at 3:07 pm to
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I've pretty much stayed out of this never-ending JJ vs JL saga on here, but to say that JJ "won" the Bama game is beyond a strech.

He led the offense to exactly 3 points. Period. Claiborne gave the Tigers the ball at the Alabama 15 and the JJ-led team gained a total of 2 yards in 3 plays, before kicking the tying field goal.

They rushed the ball 4 times for 17 yards , none of them by JJ, in OT before kicking the field goal.


So, the fact that the option attack worked against Bama, and Jefferson is the better option quarterback means Jefferson's abilities didn't help win the game?

How many points did a Lee lead offense score against Alabama?

Play calling got really conservative in the red zone by LSU, that was obvious. Though, you are right it wasn't overly impressive when he was in there by any means. And yes, Claiborne and Reid were bigger reasons for the win than anyone on offense.
This post was edited on 12/5/11 at 3:09 pm
Posted by Rudy40
Baton Rouge,La
Member since Jan 2007
3068 posts
Posted on 12/5/11 at 3:08 pm to
Wow 58.4% career passer he must be the next John Elway?
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