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re: Chavis knew LSU defense would be better this year
Posted on 9/17/14 at 11:42 am to Skillet
Posted on 9/17/14 at 11:42 am to Skillet
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We had a good 2nd half against a good Wisky team who played with a shitty QB and without their best RB...You can't count SH & ULM...I hope our D is awesome, but it's just way too early to say they're. You disagree?
Yes, I disagree, because I can look at the facts. Gordon was getting zilch on his last few carries following some adjustments. That QB has also lit it up in every game since LSU, there's no way around it, our defense rattled and confused him. Sam Houston and ULM are better 'cupcakes' than most teams play, they get legit D1 transfers and ULM cleans up in a state that produces tons of under the radar guys. We've played one tough team, true, but that's more than most power 5 schools and we rank 2nd in the nation.
Period.
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Posted on 9/17/14 at 11:47 am to atltiger6487
You don't have to wait until the season is over to determine whether or not you have a good defense. We will find out all we need to know about our DB's and our defense this weekend against Dak Prescott and MSU.
Posted on 9/17/14 at 11:48 am to Skillet
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Yeah, lets see what they can do against a real offense and a real QB...We caught a huge break when Wisky sat Gordon for whatever reason. We couldn't stop Gordon. Wisky also had to play a QB who had zero passing skills that game...Definitely way too soon.
In the second half LSU had scoring drives of 4:43, 4:00, 3:12, and 1:23. LSU absolutely dominated the time of possession in the second half.. and that made an enormous difference. Wisconsin only ran 25 plays in the 2nd half (compared to 38 in the first half). LSU ran 38 plays in the 2nd half. That's what made the biggest difference.
Gordon had 4 carries in the 2nd half (he was in for numerous plays as a receiver/blocker). Wisconsin trailed for most of the 4th quarter and were put into a situation in which they had to pass.. can't run the ball when you have to throw it to win/2 minute offense.. and he was on the field.
This post was edited on 9/17/14 at 11:49 am
Posted on 9/17/14 at 11:56 am to thelsutigerfan
Lol that's changing after Saturday night
Posted on 9/17/14 at 12:13 pm to lsu2006
Some of u had to ride the short bus! The record for most shutout quarters 12 Bama 2012 this D is at 9! Damn people this ain't rocket science! Everyone plays cupcakes, 9 shutout quarters is damn good no matter the opponent. 
Posted on 9/17/14 at 12:31 pm to broadcaster
9 shutout qtrs. is damn good and this defense is damn good also. but, shutout qtrs. are a function of other factors such as no turnovers in your own territory which is outside the control of the defense.
Posted on 9/17/14 at 12:43 pm to Penrod
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This is wrong. We were stoning Gordon before he left the game. Wisconsin's run production had nothing to do with Gordon leaving the game. It had everything to do with LSU feeling more confidence in, and the necessity of, loading the box and manning up with the receivers.
dafuq?
What game did you watch? He gashed us for like a 70 yard run on about his 2nd-3rd carry in the second half and then got hurt. If he stayed healthy in that game we probably would've lost.
The jury is still out on this defense. I see idiots on here comparing it to 2011's defense. FFS...we had so many high picks and 1st rounders on that defense. No way is this defense remotely close to that right now. They can be good and dominant but let them actually play a competent offense before we crown them as the next great thing. MSU will be a good test because they have a solid offense. I'm not sold on our front seven. Wisconsin did what they wanted up front before Gordon's injury and even Sam Houston was popping consistent 5+ yards right up the middle on us. We have serious questions at DT.
Our defensive line has not been dominant even against inferior opponents this year. Hunter/Rasco have been overrated since they started and have a lot of inexperience at DT. Chavis probably realized it after the second game and that's why he dialed up a ton of blitzes to help the defensive line against ULM. Teams like MSU will eat that up.
This post was edited on 9/17/14 at 12:45 pm
Posted on 9/17/14 at 12:53 pm to Skillet
quote:this has been addressed at length in multiple threads. Gordon wasn't a factor because lsu made adjustments
We caught a huge break when Wisky sat Gordon for whatever reason. We couldn't stop Gordon.
Posted on 9/17/14 at 12:57 pm to Skillet
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We caught a huge break when Wisky sat Gordon for whatever reason. We couldn't stop Gordon.
Wrong. The Tigers caused the break by bruising the great back. He gained zero yards on his last two carries which is why they went away from him, for the other back who was also predicted to light LSU up. Wisconsin gained half their yards on 3 carries which were all the result of poor positioning and missed tackles. The coaches corrected this with in-game scheming which is what turned the game around. Dakota is by far the best QB to face the Tigers so far but the overall MSU ground game is no where near Wisconsin's level.
Posted on 9/17/14 at 12:57 pm to Sterling Archer
quote:no reason for that. as of now, they are objectively much better than at the same point last season.
I just wish we would hold off until SEC play before calling this Defense elite or vastly improved
Posted on 9/17/14 at 12:57 pm to Skillet
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Wisky also had to play a QB who had zero passing skills that game
Big 10 teams always seem to have to play a QB with no passing skills when they play LSU for some reason.
Posted on 9/17/14 at 12:59 pm to thelsutigerfan
I feel like this thread is missing something. I was expecting "Chavis knew LSU defense would be better this year", and that's why...
Posted on 9/17/14 at 1:04 pm to deuce985
quote:the one where lsu shut them down
What game did you watch?
quote:and your perception is way off
If he stayed healthy in that game we probably would've lost.
quote:the op is not saying something different
The jury is still out on this defense
quote:and you know for a fact that this one won't be similar?
we had so many high picks and 1st rounders on that defense
quote:not according to the stats
No way is this defense remotely close to that right now
quote:you're missing the point of the thread. at the same point in the season...
They can be good and dominant but let them actually play a competent offense before we crown them as the next great thing.
quote:you must have overlooked the stats just posted
Sam Houston was popping consistent 5+ yards right up the middle on us
quote:support
Our defensive line has not been dominant even against inferior opponents this year
respectfully, your post is full of suck
Posted on 9/17/14 at 1:15 pm to deuce985
u so crazy!!'Posted on 9/17/14 at 1:45 pm to lsu480
After Gordon's 63 yard run in the beginning of the third, Gordon was held to 0, 3, and -2 yards on 3 carries for 0.3 ypc. Clement had 13 yards on 5 carries for 2.6 ypc.
There's a reason Clement was in for Gordon in the 2nd half.
Throw in the fact that LSU went on 4 scoring drives that ate up clock with 9 1st downs, and Wisconsin just didn't have that many opportunities to run or pass.
After Wisconsin's last score, LSU basically sold out to stop the run. A QB is supposed to throw the ball when he sees man coverage. You can't blame them for throwing, LSU's defensive alignment was begging for it. But just like every other time LSU plays a Big 10 team, they just can't beat LSU's man coverage in the secondary.
It's not uncommon, it doesn't mean that Brady Quinn was a horrible QB, or that Todd Boeckman was a horrible QB, or even that Rudock was a horrible QB. It just means that Big 10 receivers can't match up with LSU's defensive backs.
There's a reason Clement was in for Gordon in the 2nd half.
Throw in the fact that LSU went on 4 scoring drives that ate up clock with 9 1st downs, and Wisconsin just didn't have that many opportunities to run or pass.
After Wisconsin's last score, LSU basically sold out to stop the run. A QB is supposed to throw the ball when he sees man coverage. You can't blame them for throwing, LSU's defensive alignment was begging for it. But just like every other time LSU plays a Big 10 team, they just can't beat LSU's man coverage in the secondary.
It's not uncommon, it doesn't mean that Brady Quinn was a horrible QB, or that Todd Boeckman was a horrible QB, or even that Rudock was a horrible QB. It just means that Big 10 receivers can't match up with LSU's defensive backs.
Posted on 9/17/14 at 1:54 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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That QB has also lit it up in every game since LSU
They've only played one game since LSU.
Posted on 9/17/14 at 2:06 pm to Mo Jeaux
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They've only played one game since LSU.
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EVERY GAME
Posted on 9/17/14 at 2:09 pm to Skillet
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You can't count SH & ULM...I hope our D is awesome, but it's just way too early to say they're. You disagree?
But people automatically think MSU's DL is great because they stopped UAB and South Alabama from running? People still think UF's secondary is good after being torched by 360 yards and no named WRs from Kentucky. Don't give me that crap about who we play. ULM could beat Vandy and Ole Miss torched them. Does that make Ole Miss' defense great?
Posted on 9/17/14 at 2:10 pm to ATLTiger
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good for Martin. having Mills back there has seemed to have helped as well.
It's awesome. Martin has been a stud. It's great that he's out there to give the younger guys leadership.
People are going to see how ridiculously stout this secondary is.
Posted on 9/17/14 at 2:12 pm to tlsu15
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They've only played one game since LSU.
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EVERY GAME
OK. 
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