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re: Charles Barkley says Ben Simmons isn't ready for the NBA

Posted on 3/9/16 at 11:11 pm to
Posted by Scoob
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Posted on 3/9/16 at 11:11 pm to
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That's what scares me the most about Ben - that even with all his talent, his pro father, and coming to the US to play high school ball at an elite basketball school, he still has NO jump shot. I mean NONE.
It's not just a jumper, I don't see him working down low either. You watch a guy like Duncan, he came into the league with a nice bank shot. Hell, Nikita Wilson, back in the day, had a lethal turnaround jumper on the baseline. Kareem's skyhook, everyone saw it coming and it didn't matter. "But Ben's only 19"... I don't care. This kid was being created to be an NBA player by the time he was 13, and somehow, he has NEVER spent the time to perfect just one shot down low that would demand attention.

LSU didn't know how to pass the ball to him? bullshite. He brought the ball up on every possession, he wanted to be the point guard. That's so HE could get the assists, and show his versatility. Our returning point guard was benched so that Ben could run point and be surrounded by shooters, with Victor being the main paint option. If Simmons played forward, we might have seen a more consistent offense, because we would have guards being asked to do more than just spot up for the 3.
Posted by lsu2006
BR
Member since Feb 2004
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Posted on 3/9/16 at 11:16 pm to
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LSU didn't know how to pass the ball to him? bullshite. He brought the ball up on every possession, he wanted to be the point guard. That's so HE could get the assists, and show his versatility.

Holy Jesus, you are clueless. I question whether you actually watched any games this year.

And you're really going to compare 19 year old freshman Simmons to Duncan coming out after 4 years at Wake Forest? And Kareem?

Whenever I think our fans couldn't be more clueless about basketball I'm always sent back to reality by a post like yours.
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But Ben's only 19"... I don't care.

Well, you should. You see, players often improve their game as they get older and receive more and superior coaching and truly dedicate themselves to their craft. Add different wrinkles to it. Some call it "developing".
This post was edited on 3/9/16 at 11:17 pm
Posted by Magazine St
New Orleans Metro Area
Member since Feb 2015
1789 posts
Posted on 3/9/16 at 11:18 pm to
Come on people, all he's saying is Ben's game isn't ready for the next level.

We all know its not, but we all would take the money if presented.
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
22891 posts
Posted on 3/9/16 at 11:43 pm to
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And you're really going to compare 19 year old freshman Simmons to Duncan coming out after 4 years at Wake Forest? And Kareem?
Well, yes, and I also compared him to Nikita Wilson. Don't know if you're old enough to remember him or not, but he CAME IN with a shot. A simple turnaround jumper on the baseline, he made it far more than he missed.

Nikita never made it to the NBA, because he's not the prospect Simmons is. But he damn sure had at least one reliable shot, something I would expect a kid being groomed for probably the past decade to play NBA would have.

Most kids have a good shot from practicing it way before they are 20. The problem is to get it off without someone blocking it. Ben's 6'10, I don't think he's matched up once this year against a guy that would have given him trouble on a midrange jumper. In the college game, guys tall enough to do that aren't quick enough to play 15 ft from the rim.

Ben has been preparing to play professional basketball for most of his sentient life; he went to an elite, exclusive boarding school for that reason. You'd think at some point, working on his shot would have been considered a priority.
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
22891 posts
Posted on 3/9/16 at 11:53 pm to
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Come on people, all he's saying is Ben's game isn't ready for the next level.

We all know its not, but we all would take the money if presented.
Sadly, I think the goal is now to "get paid"; it's to be the coveted prospect to get a big draft deal. That's "the next level" for a lot of these kids, not to actually have to develop into great players.

It's going to kill basketball at some point. I've already quit on the NBA, and once I could probably name the starting five and half the bench of just about any team in the league. It started with the draft raids on high school kids and the Euro prospects, when you wouldn't recognize more than 2 names in the first round, and all the All Americans from college were just getting passed by. It's totally changed the college game from what it was, and it's just gonna get worse.
Posted by AjaxFury
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Member since Sep 2014
9928 posts
Posted on 3/10/16 at 12:04 am to
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Once again, I'm wondering who all these dominant post players in the NBA are, especially playing the 3 and 4


I woykdbt be surprised if his career turned out more like Chandler Parsons.
That's not a bad career, just would be in a sense the expectations are so high.

That's the comp that keeps popping in my head recently.
Putting "the next James" label on him was too much hype IMO.
Posted by AjaxFury
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Member since Sep 2014
9928 posts
Posted on 3/10/16 at 12:05 am to
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It's going to kill basketball at some point. I've already quit on the NBA, and once I could probably name the starting five and half the bench of just about any team in the league. It started with the draft raids on high school kids and the Euro prospects, when you wouldn't recognize more than 2 names in the first round, and all the All Americans from college were just getting passed by. It's totally changed the college game from what it was, and it's just gonna get worse.


All of this ^^^ ...well said.
Posted by Magazine St
New Orleans Metro Area
Member since Feb 2015
1789 posts
Posted on 3/10/16 at 12:38 am to
I AGREE, at least with the college game suffering. The NBA suffers because there is an unpolished product on the court that could've been better primed by 2-3 years of college b-ball. The top talent with the fire to be the best will reach that level no matter what (Kobe, LeBron, McGrady, Garnnett)There are more failures or "never reached potential" guys in the league because of the lack of fundamentals though. I think sometimes those guys get overwhelmed($$$)and loose focus.
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
47336 posts
Posted on 3/10/16 at 8:15 am to
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LSU didn't know how to pass the ball to him? bullshite. He brought the ball up on every possession, he wanted to be the point guard. That's so HE could get the assists, and show his versatility. Our returning point guard was benched so that Ben could run point and be surrounded by shooters, with Victor being the main paint option. If Simmons played forward, we might have seen a more consistent offense, because we would have guards being asked to do more than just spot up for the


What is this bullshite? None of what you posted here is true. Who was the starting PG benched for Simmons?

LSU struggled all year to pass him the ball in the post. It was even highlighted by the announcers over and over again.
This post was edited on 3/10/16 at 8:18 am
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
47336 posts
Posted on 3/10/16 at 8:17 am to
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I've already quit on the NBA,


Well that has been completely obvious
Posted by Cadello
Eunice
Member since Dec 2007
48855 posts
Posted on 3/10/16 at 8:23 am to
Charles Barkley is a tool.
Posted by tiger81
Brentwood, TN.
Member since Jan 2008
21005 posts
Posted on 3/10/16 at 9:14 am to
Ben's lack of a mid range jumper has really hurt our offense... can't believe the coaches haven't told him to shoot it. The defense knows he's driving and passing more times than not. We're very predictable.
Posted by SL Tiger
Houston
Member since May 2007
2303 posts
Posted on 3/10/16 at 10:58 am to
LSU didn't know how to pass the ball to him? bullshite. He brought the ball up on every possession, he wanted to be the point guard. That's so HE could get the assists, and show his versatility. Our returning point guard was benched so that Ben could run point and be surrounded by shooters, with Victor being the main paint option. If Simmons played forward, we might have seen a more consistent offense, because we would have guards being asked to do more than just spot up for the 3.

I agree with this. Our team was overloaded with guards and thin on SEC caliber bigs. It's obvious where Simmons should be playing on this team. It's also obvious that someone lets him play where he wants to play. We witnessed what he could do on the inside in the N FL game. One could argue that we were playing inferior competition but I could also argue that he could have continued to develop an inside game throughout the season. Did anyone else feel that (after the N FL game) we had found where BS needed to be playing? But that didn't happen. He was allowed to continue to work on becoming the next Magic Johnson.

We should have been 10-2 at the start of SEC play with our best 5 available. Something happened to TQ and I'm thinking it was the realization that BS would be allowed to do whatever he wanted regardless of the outcome. We had options at guard but we didn't have options on the inside. Someone mentioned that JJ's failure was NOT spending more time developing Epps and Big E. I'd agree with that.

We were always going to play with a 3-G 2-F starting line-up. The only question should have been WHICH 3 guards. Simmons and Victor should have always been playing down low. JJ should have been deciding who would play PG in the preseason and he should have started with Patterson & Gray. If he didn't trust one of those 2, the next best option was TQ bringing the ball up with KH & AB at the other guards. BS would have had opportunities to showcase his ball skills on every defensive RB and in transition.

We can't blame the kid for doing exactly what he wanted. We saw signs of JJ trying to shift roles where BS would play inside. He embraced it in the No Fla game but went right back to the Magic J show after. We saw what happens when the 6-10 kid penetrates with faster college players defending. They strip the ball much more than he was accustomed in high school. Having 7 steals and 7 TO's isn't good when those stats are from your best player. You put him in a position to have the 7 steals but avoid the TO's.

BS only had one stat that would be concerning for an NBA GM? It was his TO's and maybe he isn't a PG candidate at the next level. Anyone who thinks his shot is horrible should watch him shoot every FT from this year. His form doesn't need a complete overhaul.
Posted by atltiger6487
Member since May 2011
19758 posts
Posted on 3/10/16 at 11:38 am to
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Anyone who thinks his shot is horrible should watch him shoot every FT from this year. His form doesn't need a complete overhaul.


that's right, his form looks pretty good on free throws, and his 68% isn't awful, but can use some improvement.

His refusal to shoot jumpers in games tells me he has ZERO confidence in his shot. He has to know if he was a threat from 18 feet and could force defenders to come outside, he could then penetrate at will.

But he won't shoot at all, which unfortunately tells me a lot about his mindset.
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