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re: Change your thinking on the underclassmen declaring
Posted on 1/7/13 at 4:06 pm to TBoy
Posted on 1/7/13 at 4:06 pm to TBoy
I agree with the OP. I'd add that it's also a testiment to the fact that our top quality talent is getting early playing time. There is obviously less opportunity for players to leave after their junior years if they don't start playing until they are juniors or seniors. Miles, Chavis, and company are attracting top notch talent, developing them, and getting them on the field early. The NFL is responding to that.
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Posted on 1/7/13 at 4:07 pm to SlowFlowPro
Well I don't disagree with you on that, Ole Miss could get him there.
But if I'm a super recruit like some of these guys, and all my life people have been telling me how amazing I am, I probably have an ego that pushes me toward "the best" and the opportunity to prove just how great I am early (rather than the humbling experience of sitting behind an older guy for two-three years) is something that I'm interested in.
But if I'm a super recruit like some of these guys, and all my life people have been telling me how amazing I am, I probably have an ego that pushes me toward "the best" and the opportunity to prove just how great I am early (rather than the humbling experience of sitting behind an older guy for two-three years) is something that I'm interested in.
This post was edited on 1/7/13 at 4:08 pm
Posted on 1/7/13 at 4:08 pm to The King
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. Miles, Chavis, and company are attracting top notch talent, developing them, and getting them on the field early. The NFL is responding to that.
how is the NFL responding to it, when they haven't drafted this crop of players?
Posted on 1/7/13 at 4:08 pm to FamousAmos
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But if I'm a super recruit like some of these guys, and all my life people have been telling me how amazing I am, I probably have an ego that pushes me toward "the best" and the opportunity to prove just how great I am early (rather than the humbling experience of sitting behind an older guy for two-three years) is something that I'm interested in.
individual best or play on the best team?
besides, there is always the rebuilding pitch of "you can change this program" that recruits eat up
that's how saban rebuilt LSU with that 2001 class
Posted on 1/7/13 at 4:11 pm to SlowFlowPro
I meant play on "the best" team. I think it really depends on the player. Some guys could careless about program changing (or the program itself really) and other guys eat up the opportunity to start a legacy.
Posted on 1/7/13 at 4:12 pm to SlowFlowPro
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how is the NFL responding to it, when they haven't drafted this crop of players?
Past behavior tends to be a good predictor of future behavior. The NFL has drafted a number of our juniors in the past, and I expect that it will do so again. These guys have presumably talked to someone who has projected where they will go in the draft, and they have responded accordingly. Of course several of those guys will go in the later rounds, but that's a huge accomplishment for anyone--especially a junior. In the case of guys like Ware, it's hard to see how another year would greatly increase this year's status. It's reasonable for him to go now.
Posted on 1/7/13 at 4:15 pm to TBoy
I agree. The team was not that good anyways. Lets see some fresh talent.
Posted on 1/7/13 at 4:15 pm to SlowFlowPro
Players get drafted high because of potential every single year. Some who don't have close to the production that these players had in the SEC. Montgomery is rated as top 20 by everybody. Minter, Reid, and Logan are all also rated as 1-2 round picks. It's fair to say that they have a good chance.
Not recently.
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LSU players typically slide
Not recently.
Posted on 1/7/13 at 4:15 pm to The King
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The NFL has drafted a number of our juniors in the past, and I expect that it will do so again.
good players/athletes will get drafted regardless of if they got early PT
the shocking thing is how 1st round picks like Bowe came back for their senior year and now it seems like anybody who can leave, does
it used to be a big positiger argument. les convinced kids to stay through their senior year, unless the kid was a top 10 pick like JR/PP. i don't know what has changed, but we were pumping out 1st rounders and recruiting top 10 classes before all of our juniors left
Posted on 1/7/13 at 4:16 pm to FamousAmos
quote:Exactly!
But if I'm a super recruit like some of these guys, and all my life people have been telling me how amazing I am, I probably have an ego that pushes me toward "the best" and the opportunity to prove just how great I am early
Which is why most 5* guys go to already stacked depth charts anyway. They normally don't shy away from competition even if it is a returning starter b/c they think they are better.
Posted on 1/7/13 at 4:17 pm to whodidthat
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Montgomery is rated as top 20 by everybody
how he measures up and runs will mean a lot. running a 4.9 and being under 6-3 will hurt him
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Minter, Reid, and Logan are all also rated as 1-2 round picks.
they have to measure up and work out well
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Not recently.
brockers and randle slid just last year
Posted on 1/7/13 at 4:18 pm to whodidthat
Since it always comes back to BAMA. Let look at their team from 2010. DOes anyone think LSU this year had more talent than that team? Yet they lost 3 games. I know barron, hightower, upshaw came back when they could have left (and they won the title) but who could have blamed them if they had left. I say if they are good enough wish them well and bring on the next wave. We need some new players to bitch about anyway......I kid I kid!
Posted on 1/7/13 at 4:19 pm to Swat5
quote:Not arguing against that. It actually makes my point.
Sounds like LSU to me.
I didn't say this will hurt LSU's recruiting (just don't think it will measurably help as some do).
It most certainly cannot help on the field in 2013 however. And if on field results begin to slack that can definitely hurt recruiting.
Posted on 1/7/13 at 4:29 pm to SlowFlowPro
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good players/athletes will get drafted regardless of if they got early PT
I agree with that. My point was just that, for a player to be drafted early, he has to get some early playing time. To use the most extreme example, a guy who doesn't play until his senior year is probably not going to be drafted in his junior year. While it happens, it's not that common for a player who starts for the first time as a junior to be drafted after his junior year.
Posted on 1/7/13 at 4:33 pm to The King
quote:this is not true at all
for a player to be drafted early, he has to get some early playing time
Posted on 1/7/13 at 4:40 pm to The King
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it's not that common for a player who starts for the first time as a junior to be drafted after his junior year.
that's b/c outside of JUCOs, most guys who are 1st round talents aren't on the bench for 2 years
you have to have some major issues (injuries, grades, attitudes) to be that talented and not get that PT
Posted on 1/7/13 at 4:41 pm to TBoy
It has got to help with recruiting and dispell the myth that LSU can't develop talent.
Posted on 1/7/13 at 4:42 pm to TBoy
Kind of like Kentucky has done in basketball with Calipari.
Posted on 1/7/13 at 5:08 pm to SlowFlowPro
FYI
plenty of high draft picks are redshirts (I would say that doesn't constitute early playing time)
just look at 1st overall last year
plenty of high draft picks are redshirts (I would say that doesn't constitute early playing time)
just look at 1st overall last year
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