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re: Change your thinking on the underclassmen declaring
Posted on 1/7/13 at 3:39 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 1/7/13 at 3:39 pm to SlowFlowPro
If Miami in their day or Bama or USC in their day had 6 or 7 guys leaving after their Junior years for the NFL...no one would be saying that is bad for them. They would be saying "They are the big boys who churn out NFL talent and just reload"...and High school players want to go there.
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Posted on 1/7/13 at 3:43 pm to Swat5
quote:link? (That's so dumb.)
I think you underestimate the desire for young studs to want a better chance at playing time early...thus giving them the same chance of leaving early for the NFL.
It's my opinion & you can disagree. I find it very hard to believe that 5* players think they won't play regardless of where they go. Just look at the top of the recruiting rankings year in/year out. Their depth charts are stacked with talent yet they keep bringing in studs. (It makes sense to me that lower talent recruits are more prone to this thinking.)
Posted on 1/7/13 at 3:45 pm to SlowFlowPro
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apples and oranges
How? Coaches are currently using Simon, Logan, and Minters departures to sell Nkemdiche, Willis and Foster on the prospect of early PT right now
This post was edited on 1/7/13 at 3:46 pm
Posted on 1/7/13 at 3:45 pm to Billy Ray Valentine
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It's my opinion & you can disagree. I find it very hard to believe that 5* players think they won't play regardless of where they go. Just look at the top of the recruiting rankings year in/year out. Their depth charts are stacked with talent yet they keep bringing in studs. (It makes sense to me that lower talent recruits are more prone to this thinking.)
I didnt say it wasnt your opinion...and i still disagree.
I have heard countless times from 4 and 5 star recruits that early playing time is important. And early playing time at a big time program is also a plus.
Posted on 1/7/13 at 3:46 pm to Swat5
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If Miami in their day or Bama or USC in their day had 6 or 7 guys leaving after their Junior years for the NFL...no one would be saying that is bad for them. They would be saying "They are the big boys who churn out NFL talent and just reload"...and High school players want to go there.
but they'd get a ton of guys drafted in the top 2-3 rounds also, with multiple first rounders
we have 1-3 first rounders (a lot closer to 1 than 3) and some guys who may slide deep (simon, ware, and ford)
i am not saying the guys made bad decisions, but i don't see how guys being projected to go late leaving early matters to recruits
Posted on 1/7/13 at 3:47 pm to FamousAmos
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Coaches are currently using Simon, Logan, and Minters departures to sell Nkemdiche, Willis and Foster on the prospect of early PT right now
so because more roster spots open, we're using that as a selling point?
why not just cut/process guys who didn't pan out
Posted on 1/7/13 at 3:48 pm to SlowFlowPro
Im talking before we know where they will be drafted.
But i think we could easily have 5 in the first 3 rounds. And 3 in the first. Ive actually seen several mock drafts with Minter taken late 1st.
But i think we could easily have 5 in the first 3 rounds. And 3 in the first. Ive actually seen several mock drafts with Minter taken late 1st.
Posted on 1/7/13 at 3:49 pm to Swat5
quote:...(to be fair) by definition probably didn't just finish their season as the sixth bowl team picked in their conference and losing disappointingly...
Miami in their day or Bama or USC in their day
No doubt if LSU had won BCS title last year & this happened with 5 guys getting drafted in the first round & half, tunes would be different.
But when you have multiple guys leaving early and they don't get drafted high, again, how can that possibly be a positive in a recruits eyes?
Posted on 1/7/13 at 3:51 pm to SlowFlowPro
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so because more roster spots open, we're using that as a selling point?
Roster spots =/= Starting spots
A walk-on competes for a roster spot. High level recruits compete for early starting spots. Most of them, like Nkemdiche and Foster specifically, want to play three years and have the option to go pro.
This post was edited on 1/7/13 at 3:52 pm
Posted on 1/7/13 at 3:52 pm to Billy Ray Valentine
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But when you have multiple guys leaving early and they don't get drafted high, again, how can that possibly be a positive in a recruits eyes?
We will see where they get drafted...but im pretty sure they arent leaving without some idea they will be gone in top 3 ish.
I could easily see 3 1st rounders and 2 2nd rounders
This post was edited on 1/7/13 at 3:53 pm
Posted on 1/7/13 at 3:56 pm to Swat5
quote:Sure some say it's important, but how do you explain the same familiar faces (programs) that have stacked depth charts and continue to sign numerous 5* guys (the guys on the depth chart are 4/5* guys also)? My point is most of the best of the best don't shy from competition. Depending on their ego, they either know the guys behind the starters are studs too or they think they'll play above anyone.
I have heard countless times from 4 and 5 star recruits that early playing time is important. And early playing time at a big time program is also a plus.
Posted on 1/7/13 at 3:59 pm to Billy Ray Valentine
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Haley is trying to sell him hard on the reality that he could start at both Ole Miss and LSU, but signing with LSU would give him a national spotlight to play three years and go to the NFL... the staff is telling Nkemdiche that he can step in right away, contribute, then be ready for the NFL as a true junior.
Posted on 1/7/13 at 4:01 pm to SilverSpurs13
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Bull. They are leaving because Miles is a blowhard a-hole who will eventually ruin their futures. THE SHIP IS SINKING
Posted on 1/7/13 at 4:02 pm to wesman21
quote:Again, coaches recruit by need.
However, if the influx of DE recruits this season doesn't prove the OP's point, nothing will. Especially if we get Nkemdiche.
Everyone & their mother could see that M&M were leaving early. Recruit a bunch of good players in areas of need and play the odds.
As a program, you just hope you don't have numerous "needs" b/c that squeezes your allowable loss ratio.
Posted on 1/7/13 at 4:03 pm to SlowFlowPro
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now 4 guys going in the 1st round? THAT will make kids pay attention
Mingo, Montgomery. Potentially Reid, Minter, Logan. You're acting like everybody is getting drafted in th 6th round. Edwards is a career backup potentially going in the 4th. Simon and Ford have insane measureables and will have big combine numbers. Simon has the best chance of sneaking in the 3rd because of his potential. Could have been a 1st rounder with a better year. LSU will have more players DRAFTED this year than anybody else. You're a moron if you don't think that matters. Most recruits know that not everybody can be a 1st round pick.
Posted on 1/7/13 at 4:04 pm to FamousAmos
ole miss can get him into the NFL, too 
i just don't get how anybody could be swayed by that pitch. hell troy can get you picked really highly if you're physically ready and accomplished things in your college career
ole miss can get a player plenty of national hype. see: eli manning, michael oher, pat willis, deuce mccalister, etc
i just don't get how anybody could be swayed by that pitch. hell troy can get you picked really highly if you're physically ready and accomplished things in your college career
ole miss can get a player plenty of national hype. see: eli manning, michael oher, pat willis, deuce mccalister, etc
Posted on 1/7/13 at 4:04 pm to Billy Ray Valentine
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but how do you explain the same familiar faces (programs) that have stacked depth charts and continue to sign numerous 5* guys (the guys on the depth chart are 4/5* guys also)?
Sounds like LSU to me..
I mean..I would say we are still stacked. JMO
Posted on 1/7/13 at 4:05 pm to Billy Ray Valentine
And again, they are using the possibility to compete for playing time and/or a starting spot as a selling point.
Posted on 1/7/13 at 4:06 pm to whodidthat
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Mingo, Montgomery. Potentially Reid, Minter, Logan.
it's not likely they all go in the 1st. hell mingo may be the only one when it's all said and done
LSU players typically slide, so that's good that the draft/combine are after NSD
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