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re: Cecil Collins or Kevin Faulk
Posted on 5/4/09 at 1:28 am to el tigre
Posted on 5/4/09 at 1:28 am to el tigre
quote:No, we are not forgetting anything. You are the one who is forgetting that the question has nothing to do with how much of a piece of shite Cecil was and how much of waste of talent he was. And Kevin Faulk -- dominant as he was -- never, NEVER had any season with three games as dominant as the ones Cecil put up in his ONLY three games at LSU (and if you try and force the Vandy game stats in, you're pretty much conceding that you have no valid point).
You are all forgetting how dominant Faulk was in his days at LSU
Now, if Faulk could not manage to do in an entire season -- with FOUR SEASONS to try -- what Cecil did in his only three games, what about that suggests to you that Faulk would be more likely in one game to be more successful than Collins?
quote:He played that entire game, scoring TDs in the 1st, 3rd and 4th quarters.
246 yards rushing, 78 yard punt return TD, and 376 all purpose yards against Houston....and he only played either 2 or 3 quarters!! insane.
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Posted on 5/4/09 at 4:12 pm to el tigre
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Cecil Collins or Kevin Faulk
no, 225-230.
Diesel was not a big back. He was only about 205-210.
You are wrong again, Collins was 215, I know not much but every number you have given on Collins has been wrong.
His pre draft workouts he ran 4.38- 4.41 forties respectively. Every coach present said he was one of the most physical looking backs they have ever seen.
5'10" and 215 and lets say 4.40 for forty. I would say thats a pretty special back.
You also said you would rather tackle Collins than Jacob Hester and that makes your comments irrelevant.
Posted on 5/4/09 at 5:35 pm to WHATDOINO
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You are wrong again, Collins was 215,
everything i have seen puts him from 205-210.
LINK
Faulk was only about 5 pounds lighter than Collins....but much more versatile.
And King Joey, wasn't Faulk suspended for part of that Houston game? i remember us being down and Faulk just taking over and winning the game for us.
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You also said you would rather tackle Collins than Jacob Hester and that makes your comments irrelevant.
it's not crazy to say i would rather collide with Collins at the goalline than Hester. That's not saying i think Hester is better, i don't.
Posted on 5/4/09 at 5:45 pm to el tigre
Cecil lives in mythology now, but probably deservedly so. To a man, fans that watched his limited action for LSU were awestruck with his jawdropping performances. He looked that good.
If that's the Cecil you get for a pickup game, then it would be hard not to pick him.
Faulk deserves all the accolades he receives. He was a tremendous player for LSU and has had good success in the NFL. Cecil also deserves what he is thought of now: a wasted talent with very serious issues.
If that's the Cecil you get for a pickup game, then it would be hard not to pick him.
Faulk deserves all the accolades he receives. He was a tremendous player for LSU and has had good success in the NFL. Cecil also deserves what he is thought of now: a wasted talent with very serious issues.
Posted on 5/4/09 at 6:29 pm to Tigersicles
true, but what if i get the Cecil that looked very average at McNeese? Or the one that didn't look as good as Faulk in the NFL?
it's just not the slam dunk that people make it out to be.
it's just not the slam dunk that people make it out to be.
Posted on 5/4/09 at 6:41 pm to el tigre
That's the real question. For four games Cecil looked truly amazing. That's what those that witnessed it remember. Without the problems would he have maintained something similar to that? It's possible.
But after the leg, arrests, etc he never looked close to that good again.
There have been comparisons to Mike Tyson made in this thread and I don't think they are too far fetched. For a limited time, Tyson was just that good. But after he "lost it", he couldn't come close. Many people choose to remember that Tyson because he was amazing to watch at the time.
But after the leg, arrests, etc he never looked close to that good again.
There have been comparisons to Mike Tyson made in this thread and I don't think they are too far fetched. For a limited time, Tyson was just that good. But after he "lost it", he couldn't come close. Many people choose to remember that Tyson because he was amazing to watch at the time.
Posted on 5/4/09 at 6:46 pm to el tigre
Faulk: not quite as blessed as Diesel talent-wise but made most of it.
Cecil: blessed with rare size/speed ratio any coach would dream for but squandered it
.....tough decision.....
Cecil: blessed with rare size/speed ratio any coach would dream for but squandered it
.....tough decision.....
Posted on 5/4/09 at 7:01 pm to tigersnsaints
I read a few posts and I thought they were pretty dumb so I'm not gonna read all 5 pages.
The answer to this question is Cecil Collins and it's not even close.
I'm not taking anything away from Kevin Faulk because he was one of the best, but if Collins wasn't an idiot, he would've been a Hall of Famer.
The answer to this question is Cecil Collins and it's not even close.
I'm not taking anything away from Kevin Faulk because he was one of the best, but if Collins wasn't an idiot, he would've been a Hall of Famer.
Posted on 5/4/09 at 7:48 pm to el tigre
quote:
everything i have seen puts him from 205-210.
WRONG Just like your bullshite height. He was 5'10" not 5'8" like you said.
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it's not crazy to say i would rather collide with Collins at the goalline than Hester. That's not saying i think Hester is better, i don't.
Yes, this is the dumbest fricking comment I have heard on this subject. Hester is the good ole white boy everybody loves, but he doesnt belong in this conversation.
Comparing Hester to Collins is like comparing a Kia Spectra to Mercedes. Its no contest. The only thing Hester has over Collins is freedom.
Posted on 5/4/09 at 8:08 pm to WHATDOINO
quote:
WRONG Just like your bullshite height. He was 5'10" not 5'8" like you said.
i've posted links for all height/weight numbers.
where are you seeing that he's a big back?
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Yes, this is the dumbest fricking comment I have heard on this subject. Hester is the good ole white boy everybody loves, but he doesnt belong in this conversation.
jesus christ.....
Posted on 5/4/09 at 8:17 pm to Tigersicles
Posted on 5/4/09 at 8:45 pm to Sammich
quote:
jesus christ. Cecil Collins is like some mythological creature where we can just make up shite.
size? no, not really. He was only about 5'8" 205-210. he was not a big back, he a little below average.
Speed? very average. He ran a 4.5 in pre-draft workouts. Faulk was a little faster at 4.48.
quote:
"Collins has put up a faster time than the 4.41 he had run at the combine, the second-fastest time clocked in Indianapolis. It's also slightly faster than that of most NFL running backs.
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then grossly out performed the urban legend in the NFL in a YPC basis
Collins 3.2 YPC & Faulk 3.4 YPC as NFL Rookies..
Pretty good article for people who don't know & want to know "What all the Damn Fuss was about" Sports Illustrated 1999:
LINK
Eltigre, have you read this? try the link.
Find a new source of info.
Posted on 5/4/09 at 8:54 pm to WHATDOINO
Alright eltigre, all in fun, I'll pick Collins and you pick Faulk. Your team is shirts, my team is stripes!!
But please dont bring Hester in to this!!!
But please dont bring Hester in to this!!!
Posted on 5/4/09 at 9:22 pm to el tigre
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everything i have seen puts him from 205-210.
Yeah his junior year of HS maybe.
Dude was at least 218 at LSU and 5"9-1/2"
dude was a fricking bowling ball. And he had that Deion speed, shite you can't record in a 40, his game speeed was unbelievable. Plus his stop and go powers were off the charts, I don't want to sound like a Cecil-tard but he used to remind me of Barry Sanders.
Posted on 5/5/09 at 5:56 am to WHATDOINO
what the hell kind of 'pickup game' are you talking about?
bunch of frat boys standing around who 'wanna play some f-ball' and up walks Kevin and Cecil who want to play too???
That would equate to Kevin v Cecil one-on-one.
So the question comes - which one could more easily tackle the other one?
I pick Kevin for that - I think he would be able to stop Cecil at least once - so Kevin's side wins.
bunch of frat boys standing around who 'wanna play some f-ball' and up walks Kevin and Cecil who want to play too???
That would equate to Kevin v Cecil one-on-one.
So the question comes - which one could more easily tackle the other one?
I pick Kevin for that - I think he would be able to stop Cecil at least once - so Kevin's side wins.
Posted on 5/5/09 at 8:02 am to WampusCat56
In one single pickup game i would pick collins--kevins high school coach was even quoted as saying cecil was the best back he had ever seen including kevin
Posted on 5/5/09 at 10:16 am to WHATDOINO
Kevin
Posted on 5/5/09 at 10:35 am to WHATDOINO
If it is an afternoon game, I pick Collins. If it is a morning game I pick Faulk. Collins would still be too groggy from watching the chick next-door snoozing the night before.
Posted on 5/5/09 at 1:34 pm to WHATDOINO
i would take cecil collins over kevin faulk when it comes to running the football. he is the best back i've seen to carry the football for LSU. He also is the most stupidest shithead to ever carry the football for LSU. There have been some good ones(faulk, hester, williams, davis, gajan, hilliard etc) but cecil collins IMO, was the best. He did not get much PT, but just look back at some of his videos. 
Posted on 5/5/09 at 1:35 pm to WHATDOINO
Faulk. He might be high but I wouldn't have to worry about him trying to feel me up while Im asleep
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