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re: Cecil Collins or Kevin Faulk
Posted on 5/3/09 at 5:58 pm to erik
Posted on 5/3/09 at 5:58 pm to erik
Cecil was so much more talented than Faulk, it's not even funny. Also, people say that Collins, only played in a few games blah blah blah. When Collins played against Auburn and MSU they had some DAMN STRONG run defenses.
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Posted on 5/3/09 at 6:08 pm to el tigre
quote:Actually, it was just over three games.
but it was ONE FULL GAME!!
quote:5'10"
He was only about 5'8"
quote:And if we were playing a four year schedule of "pick-up" games, then it would be a no-brainer. But since the question absolutely excludes the possibility of four year's of performance, it doesn't make much sense to make the choice based on that.
Faulk put up numbers for 4 years
Posted on 5/3/09 at 6:16 pm to WHATDOINO
quote:
Look people, the question is PICKUP GAME. Not anything else.
I'm late on this game... but if you're talking neighborhood game of TACKLE/FULL CONTACT ball... I pick Faulk and then desiginate myself as coach on my team's defense.
In other words, if I had to play defense, I'd rather be juked by Faulk and live to laugh and tell about it, than be pile drived by Cecil and end up in the hospital.
Other than that, Faulk in every conceivable category.... but if you're asking who would you least want to tackle... or have your daughter live next to in college, it's Cecil.
This post was edited on 5/3/09 at 6:20 pm
Posted on 5/3/09 at 6:17 pm to el tigre
quote:After he went to prison? Yeah, I guess Mike Tyson wasn't really a great boxer since he was much worse after he got out of prison.
b/c it did fade. He was uninspired the rest of his football career.
quote:Okay, if you are going to assume the question meant as of today, then yeah, it's a no brainer. Do you really think it meant right now, or did it mean when they were at LSU?
for one game with Collins will get an inspired bull, or a sluggish borderline retard?
If it was when they were at LSU, then why would there be doubt as to what you would get from Collins? The only game at LSU where he rushed for under 170 yards was the game where he broke his leg. 75% of his career games were over 170 yards. You think Faulk was that consistent?
Posted on 5/3/09 at 6:52 pm to Ninja Looter
quote:
Cecil was so much more talented than Faulk, it's not even funny.
That's a really strong statement, with which I disagree.
I was as excited as all the Cecil/"talent" guys on this board, the first and second time he played. I thought no one can stop this guy, period. But, he stopped himself.
He had an injury... and that promise/potential was history... and as we have since learned... the fact that he did not come back was due to a very serious, character related issue. I know that's an obvious statement, but I don't think you can separate talent from character, at least at the collegiate or pro level, even when it pertains to performance.
Whether I need a kick or punt return, or have the ball on the 5 yard line with one play left, even against the neighborhood guys, I pick Faulk. How many of us HIBLIT's could stand him up in the hole, anyway?
Posted on 5/3/09 at 7:46 pm to mes1100
quote:
this is just stupid.
Why is it stupid. The post asked for who you would take in ONE game. When it comes down to who you would take in there prime for just one game, Cecil is the obvious choice. D
Posted on 5/3/09 at 7:48 pm to trstiger
quote:
Collins. I think he's the best back to ever play at LSU.
i was REALLY young when he was there...so take it for what it's worth...but i swear the guy was f&$*ing INSPIRING to watch
Posted on 5/3/09 at 8:05 pm to King Joey
quote:
Actually, it was just over three games.
but only one game start to finish. Replaced in injured faulk against MSU, played all of the Auburn game, then was injured against Vandy.
quote:
5'10"
was looking at this site. has him at about 5'8.5". All of these listings are inexact anyway b.c i can't find reliable combine numbers...but Collins was not tall.
LINK
quote:
And if we were playing a four year schedule of "pick-up" games, then it would be a no-brainer. But since the question absolutely excludes the possibility of four year's of performance, it doesn't make much sense to make the choice based on that.
it shows me that there is amuch higher chance that Faulk can be counted on to show up and play with consistent effort. Collins did not wow in games after his LSU stint. Plus, like already mentioned i want a guy that can kill you returning kicks and receiving once the defense puts 9 in the box...that's Faulk, not Collins.
Posted on 5/3/09 at 8:07 pm to King Joey
quote:
After he went to prison? Yeah, I guess Mike Tyson wasn't really a great boxer since he was much worse after he got out of prison.
no, even before that. Diesel didn't amaze like everyone expected even he was at McNeese.
quote:
If it was when they were at LSU, then why would there be doubt as to what you would get from Collins? The only game at LSU where he rushed for under 170 yards was the game where he broke his leg. 75% of his career games were over 170 yards. You think Faulk was that consistent?
ever heard of sample size?
Posted on 5/3/09 at 8:13 pm to mes1100
quote:
he's no bo jackson
No, but he's the closest thing I've ever seen. It should be against the law to be as talented as Collins was.
Posted on 5/3/09 at 8:16 pm to Cornholio
everyone here does realize that Bo Jackson was 3-4 inches taller and about 20 pounds bigger, and faster than Diesel, right?
Posted on 5/3/09 at 8:17 pm to el tigre
Bo weighed 250?
Posted on 5/3/09 at 8:17 pm to Cornholio
no, 225-230.
Diesel was not a big back. He was only about 205-210.
Diesel was not a big back. He was only about 205-210.
Posted on 5/3/09 at 9:01 pm to Ninja Looter
quote:
Cecil was so much more talented than Faulk, it's not even funny.
That's way too strong, and I don't even think, right. But, Cecil was a horse for a couple of games, and man, I thought at the time that he was one of a kind.
Posted on 5/3/09 at 9:55 pm to LA007
it is definitely way too strong. People are acting like Faulk was just some steady back, while Diesel was the only heavily talented guy.
Faulk was arguably the biggest LSU recruit in the last 30 years. He was a prep all american and was rated as THE best offensive prospect coming out of high school by several publications. Then, in becoming LSU's all time leading rusher he didn't just plod along. The dude had 4 games where he rushed for over 200 yards, despite the entire opposing defense knowing all season that he is THE man to stop for LSU and didn't have the benefit of fresh legs that Diesel enjoyed in his very brief stint.
From the folklore in this thread you would think that Diesel ran for 400 yards against Auburn (or definitely more than Faulk ever had in a game), not 170.....you would think he shattered records at McNeese...but he only averaged about 4 yards a carry and 60 yards per game in 2 games against lesser competition.
Faulk was arguably the biggest LSU recruit in the last 30 years. He was a prep all american and was rated as THE best offensive prospect coming out of high school by several publications. Then, in becoming LSU's all time leading rusher he didn't just plod along. The dude had 4 games where he rushed for over 200 yards, despite the entire opposing defense knowing all season that he is THE man to stop for LSU and didn't have the benefit of fresh legs that Diesel enjoyed in his very brief stint.
From the folklore in this thread you would think that Diesel ran for 400 yards against Auburn (or definitely more than Faulk ever had in a game), not 170.....you would think he shattered records at McNeese...but he only averaged about 4 yards a carry and 60 yards per game in 2 games against lesser competition.
This post was edited on 5/3/09 at 9:56 pm
Posted on 5/3/09 at 10:06 pm to el tigre
Faulk:
Freshman:
171 @ Miss State (first start of his career)
160 vs. North Texas
159 vs. ole piss
234 in Indy Bowl vs. Saban's Mich State squad
Soph:
246 yards rushing, 78 yard punt return TD, and 376 all purpose yards against Houston....and he only played either 2 or 3 quarters!! insane.
7 100 yard rushing games this season.
Junior:
212 at KY
172 at Ole Miss
168 at Bama
135 at Vandy
105 vs ND
138 vs Arky
Senior:
108 vs. ND
6 straight 100 yard games
You are all forgetting how dominant Faulk was in his days at LSU.
Freshman:
171 @ Miss State (first start of his career)
160 vs. North Texas
159 vs. ole piss
234 in Indy Bowl vs. Saban's Mich State squad
Soph:
246 yards rushing, 78 yard punt return TD, and 376 all purpose yards against Houston....and he only played either 2 or 3 quarters!! insane.
7 100 yard rushing games this season.
Junior:
212 at KY
172 at Ole Miss
168 at Bama
135 at Vandy
105 vs ND
138 vs Arky
Senior:
108 vs. ND
6 straight 100 yard games
You are all forgetting how dominant Faulk was in his days at LSU.
Posted on 5/3/09 at 10:38 pm to el tigre
Agreed. It's amazing to me how legends are born on potential and not production in some peoples' minds. Faulk was a clutch, guy, too.. which again, goes back to character. I know he had minor off field scrapes, but I'm talking about getting it done.
Posted on 5/4/09 at 12:52 am to el tigre
quote:Also played start to finish against Akron (172 yards).
but only one game start to finish. Replaced in injured faulk against MSU, played all of the Auburn game, then was injured against Vandy.
quote:Both the LSU roster and the NFL.com player profile list him as 5'10".
All of these listings are inexact anyway b.c i can't find reliable combine numbers
quote:The question either addresses them in their days at LSU or it does not. Since no person with the mental capacity to breathe would even consider thinking of Collins in any respect other than when he was playing at LSU, the common sense conclusion is the that question presented they hypothetical of the two players when they were playing at LSU. And there was absolutely nothing about his playing time at LSU to suggest that Cecil would bring anything to the field other than dominating performance.
it shows me that there is amuch higher chance that Faulk can be counted on to show up and play with consistent effort.
Again, if you construe the question to mean now, or at any other time than their careers at LSU, then, yes, obviously every single human being who ever has or ever will live would choose Faulk. But since asking that question would be beyond pointless, the responses more likely address the reasonable hypothetical of choosing between the two as they were in their LSU playing careers.
Posted on 5/4/09 at 1:04 am to el tigre
quote:He had already been in prison briefly by that time, and was facing double felony charges and coming off a broken leg. However, if you do decide to ignore everything else and simply pretend those two games came the week after the Vanderbilt game, he still rushed for over 170 yards in half his games in college. That's not a bad percentage, and much higher than any other player in LSU's (or probably anyone else's) history.
no, even before that. Diesel didn't amaze like everyone expected even he was at McNeese.
quote:What about it? Are you going to suggest that a small sample size supports conclusions contrary to the results indicated by the sample?
ever heard of sample size?
Posted on 5/4/09 at 1:19 am to el tigre
quote:Well, he didn't rush for 170 against Auburn, either. Are you sure you know who we're talking about?
From the folklore in this thread you would think that Diesel ran for 400 yards against Auburn (or definitely more than Faulk ever had in a game), not 170
quote:yeah, 60 . . . or 85.5 . . . whichever.
but he only averaged about 4 yards a carry and 60 yards per game in 2 games
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