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re: Cauble says it well
Posted on 1/2/13 at 11:24 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 1/2/13 at 11:24 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Depends on what you are content with.
It isn't effective right now.
When has LSU had more sustained success in the history of the program. Yeah, it's pretty effective right now.
Look, the offense can be better, but have a little perspective. LSU will not always be a great team and if you can realize that and enjoy the current success, two things will happen. 1. You will be happier. 2. You will be less devastated when the inevitable happens.
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Posted on 1/2/13 at 11:25 pm to lsuexpert57
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This is one of the things most missed by fans. When the game was on the line their QB made plays and ours didn't.
The "play" Mett had to make, to make his team a winner...was incredibly easy. A soft toss to a wide open receiver with almost no pressure on him...and he MISSED!
Then Tahj Jones has a 4th and sixteen, with TREMENDOUS pass rush and a TINY window to throw the ball in and he DOES IT!
It doesn't matter what plays you call when your players don't execute.
Have you watched the Sugar Bowl tonight? Have you noticed how a much less talented team is beating the other because their QB is making every play and Fla's QB isn't making ANY plays?
What we have in place has won us a lot of games, and would have won us a lot more if we had had better QB play the last 5 years. It ain't perfect and can certainly be better...but you sons a bitches are just over reacting....as USUAL!
You're right but we still only ran 48 plays compared to Clemson's 99, and had half as many yards as they did. You can't explain away 5 years of pure offensive shite with one game.
If you are going to make 5 years worth of excuses then I hope no one gives you a job, because there comes a point where excuses are like assholes, everybody has them and they stink. Its time to answer for that and make some serious changes or else continue to suffer and choke out the excitement of LSU football.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 11:27 pm to CRAZY 4 LSU
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I think the philosophy is there. I want to be a pro style offense headlining the run and establishing a dominate line of scrimmage. However, you don't have to be so simple within that philosophy. You can have more sophisticated routes and progressions. The run game is effective so long as it isn't predictable. I just think there is a significant failure at LSU to develop our players and drill the execution of an effective offense. They are also not put into a position to succeed. 5 years of this product should tell you all you need to know. Also, there is nothing wrong with winning consistently, of course. It's just extremely frustrating that there is only one reason we lose and haven't been a consistent DOMINATE team. It's holding us back. As cauble stated, the defense is holding up their end of the bargain.
I actually think all that stuff is there and in place. I think we have the same route progressions as everyone else...to think our coaches are unaware of other teams passing games is silly. Route progressions do you know good if your QB can't make the right reads or won't hold the ball long enough for the patterns to develop. This year of course Mett could do those things, but in the beginning we couldn't block for him and the WR's couldn't catch.
I think the stuff is there, and when it clicks it's gonna look better.
This post was edited on 1/2/13 at 11:28 pm
Posted on 1/2/13 at 11:27 pm to RogerTheShrubber
I cannot believe people will sit here and defend Miles. Opposing coaches make fun of him, my 5th and 6th grade teams are harder to scheme for than the mess called Lsu's offense!!!
Posted on 1/2/13 at 11:27 pm to recruitnik
Michael Cauble clearly hates LSU and Les Miles. He is a negatiger.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 11:28 pm to lsuexpert57
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First, choosing an offensive philosphy as a HC. Take stock of what you have and what you can be. If you are in a place like Oregon or Arkansas where it will be hard for you to get elite recruiting classes, choose an offense that gives you a chance to level the playing field.
However, if you are at a place that you can recruit elite talent, a run first offense is a great choice. Why? First, you will always be able to have a great defense with great athletes and if you can shorten the game with a running game....you will likely be in every game you play.
absolutely agree
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Next, good offense is VERY VERY dependent on your QB. This point cannot be emphasized too much. Look no further than tonights Sugar Bowl for proof. Problem is, really good QB's are few and far between and evaluating them is very hard. We, and a lot of other coaches, wanted Mett more than Bridgewater...it ain't over yet...but Teddy sure looks like a great college QB.
The great thing about having a boring run based offense, is that even when you have crappy QB play...you can still be competitive if your defense is helped out by a running game and great special teams.
All this is to say, that I think with better QB play over the last few years, we wouldn't be having all this panic about the OC and our offense.
Case in point, we went 11-2 and 13-1 the last two years with JARRETT LEE and JORDAN JEFFERSON as our QB's!!!!! Are you kidding me? Who gets credit for that my friends? I'll tell you who gets credit...the same guy you are blaming for the lack of EXECUTION!!
Agree, but the missing on evaluations is becoming an epidemic. Also, the lack of development has been disturbing. i don't think the offense is helping our QB's also. If you listen to Matt Moscona's show Alan Risher comes on and says something over and over that I agree with. You have to be more sophisticated in the passing game to help your QB out. You have to offer layers. Attack each zone of the defense. i.e. running drags with guys going in the seams, running deep posts on deep outs etc.
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I say CLM should be lauded for the job he has done having ANY semblance of offensive execution with such poor QB's
ehh
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I did think things would improve this year with Mett being an upgrade in talent...but many factors conspired to make this a uniquely unfortunate year. I won't bother reciting the litany of injuries and stuff...but man...you gotta admit...we were THIS CLOSE to having a championship year despite all that.
Yeah you can predict that all the bad stuff is gonna continue, all the bad execution portends an awful future...but I just don't see it. On the contrary, I think some of our bad fortune will reverse itself and LSU and CLM will rise to even GREATER heights!
Sorry for rambling a bit...but I am a patient and realistic optimist when it comes to CLM and LSU football.
Can't disagree with anything here. We'll have to wait and see.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 11:29 pm to Jester
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When has LSU had more sustained success in the history of the program. Yeah, it's pretty effective right now.
Look, the offense can be better, but have a little perspective. LSU will not always be a great team and if you can realize that and enjoy the current success, two things will happen. 1. You will be happier. 2. You will be less devastated when the inevitable happens.
Thats a brilliant fricking perspective.
"Guys LSU has to go to being a terrible program just because thats what happens. So enjoy the pigs rolling in slop that every game with Miles is. Become apathetic and don't care about LSU football being awesome again. It has to suck based on law of averages soon anyways."
DWI.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 11:30 pm to Jester
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When has LSU had more sustained success in the history of the program. Yeah, it's pretty effective right now.
LSU is easily one of the most talented teams in the country. Talent alone will give them 8 or more wins a year.
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Look, the offense can be better, but have a little perspective. LSU will not always be a great team and if you can realize that and enjoy the current success, two things will happen. 1. You will be happier. 2. You will be less devastated when the inevitable happens.
If LSu keeps recruiting well, it will always be in a position to win the SEC. There are literally only 6 games (counting the bowl game) that should have been competitive this year and LSU lost three. I wouldn't say it's a great team. LSU has had one great team in the past 5 years.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 11:30 pm to DONHOGG
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I cannot believe people will sit here and defend Miles. Opposing coaches make fun of him, my 5th and 6th grade teams are harder to scheme for than the mess called Lsu's offense!!!
Well son, all I can tell you is, while I am sure that you are the best 5th and 6th great OC in the history of the middle school football, you would be laughed out of the room in the first 10 minutes of a staff meeting at LSU...or any other professional coaching staff meeting for that matter.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 11:30 pm to lsuexpert57
Alan Risher is always pointing out how simple LSU's passing game is. The passing routes and designs very basic and far from complicated even compared to other college teams.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 11:31 pm to tiggerthetooth
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You're right but we still only ran 48 plays compared to Clemson's 99, and had half as many yards as they did.
I like how people keep putting Clemson's 99 plays solely on mediocre offense. Clemson sustained drives to earn more plays. That part of the equation falls on the defense.
Did the offense allow Clemson AND Alabama to drive down the field on game-winning drives? Was Mett playing safety? DAMN IT! MILES IS RUNNING THE DEFENSE!
Posted on 1/2/13 at 11:32 pm to DONHOGG
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my 5th and 6th grade teams
The thread ends here. An expert has spoken.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 11:32 pm to CRAZY 4 LSU
It's not so much of "you eating shite too?"
it's more of
"How realistically is it to introduce change every freakin year or two and expect positive results?"
Here is a list of teams that are on the same playing field talent-wise as LSU:
- Florida
- Georgia
- Florida State
- Texas
- Oklahoma
- Oregon
- Stanford
- USC
- Alabama
- Auburn
How many of these teams consistently make it to the National Championship game each and every year?
Yes, our style is to take odd gambles, but they pay off just as often as they don't pay off.
it's more of
"How realistically is it to introduce change every freakin year or two and expect positive results?"
Here is a list of teams that are on the same playing field talent-wise as LSU:
- Florida
- Georgia
- Florida State
- Texas
- Oklahoma
- Oregon
- Stanford
- USC
- Alabama
- Auburn
How many of these teams consistently make it to the National Championship game each and every year?
Yes, our style is to take odd gambles, but they pay off just as often as they don't pay off.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 11:33 pm to DONHOGG
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I cannot believe people will sit here and defend Miles. Opposing coaches make fun of him, my 5th and 6th grade teams are harder to scheme for than the mess called Lsu's offense!!!
Its like a cult. They see what they want to see.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 11:34 pm to peopleschamp
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Alan Risher is always pointing out how simple LSU's passing game is.
It is. Basically low level HS stuff.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 11:36 pm to recruitnik
We've become a boring program. The staleness of our offense has sucked the fun out of LSU football for me. I've paid less and less attention to the actual games because we are so predictable and boring. We've become a side show because of goofball post game press conferences and star players doing the wrong things. I'm really starting to despise Les more and more. I sat though the Curley years and the only difference between then and now is more talented players and very good assistant coaches keeping a hard headed coach above water. We have been winning in spite of this clown. At least Curley would have let his running back who was averaging 10 yards a carry to have a carry in the 4th quarter.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 11:36 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Hill makes a big run then disappears!!! 1 freaking yard in the 4th quarter!!! Go Miles GO!!!
Posted on 1/2/13 at 11:37 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Alan Risher is always pointing out how simple LSU's passing game is.
It is. Basically low level HS stuff.
Yep.
I was on the phone yesterday during the Orange Bowl and it hit me "Damn, 30 years ago I was in Tiger Band at the Orange Bowl. shite, I'm old."
Posted on 1/2/13 at 11:37 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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It is. Basically low level HS stuff.
I know the counterargument is, "well when you don't have a QB who can execute the easy stuff, you can't use the more sophisticated stuff". That's flawed because by being so simple and predictable it makes it very easy for a defense to key in on and very hard for a QB to execute and get a rhythm going.
eta. I think we're more complicated than a hs offense
This post was edited on 1/2/13 at 11:48 pm
Posted on 1/2/13 at 11:38 pm to CRAZY 4 LSU
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Agree, but the missing on evaluations is becoming an epidemic. Also, the lack of development has been disturbing. i don't think the offense is helping our QB's also. If you listen to Matt Moscona's show Alan Risher comes on and says something over and over that I agree with. You have to be more sophisticated in the passing game to help your QB out. You have to offer layers. Attack each zone of the defense. i.e. running drags with guys going in the seams, running deep posts on deep outs et
I have heard Risher say that this year, but man when I watch the film...it sure looks like they are doing just that. I see the same route trees that everyone else runs and I mean come on...Krags knows how to run a passing game right? It's not like he's right out of HS.
I do agree with your point of the staff missing on the QB evals...but like I said before...its the hardest position to evaluate...and not just for CFB. Jamarcus Russel was picked number 1...and EVERYONE who didn't draft him wanted to!
The problem for HC is though...if you miss enough you lose your job. Mack Brown is example number one of that right now.
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