re: Can you all at least somewhat appreciate what JJ/JL brought to the table now?

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So you think JJ is better than mett?

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I think he is a better runner, for sure. Last night proved that.

But all things being equal, in a couple years, Mettenberger's total body of work will make us forget those guys. We just have to be a little patient.

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(Posted on the ScoreBoard last night...which is now closed) To preface these remarks, let me first say that NO I don't want the QB situation we had last year...I am perfectly happy with Mettenberger and totally believe he will be a very productive player for LSU and lead the team to many wins in his time here. My point is this...say what you want, but for the most part, you knew exactly what you were going to get from Lee and Jefferson. They each were VERY good at taking care of the ball, not making mistakes, and protecting field position. Sometimes they made plays, and if they didn't, Wing would punt and flip the field and the other team would have a mile to go to score. When we did have a short field to work with last year, both QB's were very good at punching the ball into the end zone and taking advantage of the situation. For now, what you get from Mettenberger is a little bit of uncertainty...he has committed 3 turnovers near the goal line this year, including one tonight. His other fumble tonight directly led to Auburn's only score and is the only reason they were even in the game. He is young, still learning, and will make some errors that the QB's last year simply didn't make. It is something we all have to live with as he experiences some growing pains. And I believe he will get better. Much better. Not that he is "bad" now.. And running is not a factor with Mettenberger it would appear. Hopefully he will gain some field awareness/better sliding techniques. 2 different times last night he should have had first downs but came up short. We all know Jefferson would have gotten those. So the bottom line is this...give the kid a break. He is just going to get better. And appreciate what we did have last year and understand what the coaches saw in Lee and Jefferson.

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No, while I think CLM should have just gone with Jarret, fact of the matter is, CLM is like that couch from Varsity blues, he like to run it with a black guy not pass it.

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My point is this...say what you want, but for the most part, you knew exactly what you were going to get from Lee and Jefferson. They each were VERY good at taking care of the ball, not making mistakes, and protecting field position.

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Revisionist history. I would take Mett last year over both JJ/JL with what we have seen from him early on in the season. I wouldn't even hesitate.

Lee just flat out wasn't a good QB at LSU. If he didn't have great protection and a solid running game he was a huge liability. Everybody praised his performance early last season, but the games weren't won by him and were basically simplified down to probably one of the easiest QB jobs in the country. When he got tested against Bama where we actually needed to depend somewhat on our QB he folded and showed the QB he really was the previous seasons.

While JJ didn't have excellent command of the passing game he was a playmaker at times when things broke down. So he was not a good QB either, but his scrambling ability and making plays on the run actually added something to the offense Lee did not. JJ wasn't that bad throwing the occasional pass when the OL and running game was in its dominant form (which is all we could depend on Lee for). Honestly if the OL and running game was in dominant form we didn't need much of a QB.

Mett has done things neither of these guys have done. Yes he has made some unfortunate turnovers (I guess people forget pick six Lee and Jeffersons turnovers), but he has the capability to make up for it in a game unlike JJ or Lee. Mett has shown the ability to feel pressure in the pocket and hang in there to make some great throws while taking a hit. He was really handicapped by the poor OL play last night and dropped passes we have seen all season from the WRs. He has some flaws, but he looks much better than what we have seen the last 4 seasons.

So other than escspsbility, what exactly does JJ have that's superior to mett?

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Based on last night's performance, yes.

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Mett has been making some incredible throws our WRs just don't catch the damn ball. JJ and Lee never showed that. Honestly, he made a lot of good throw aways also last night.

The first fumble was real bad. I wasn't as upset with the second one as the defender was completely unblocked and hit him in the face. He should have secured it, but I was much more upset with the OL play.

The problems last night for the most are correctable. I think some of the more experienced players also just had a bad game.

JJ fumbeled about 4 times in the nc

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Here is the best part. They are gone, finished, out of here. You can let it go.

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I agree, moreover comparing games is apples and oranges , so comparing seasons is beyond that.

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His stats from last season will call you foolish, but you can pretend all you want.

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2011 Stats as a Starter
62% completion percentage
142 passing yards per game

I am all about this season. I think the team has flaws, but can correct them and improve. I have a lot more positive feeling about the team than most of this board.