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re: Can We Be Honest Regarding LSU & Alabama?
Posted on 11/10/15 at 11:51 am to Weekend Warrior79
Posted on 11/10/15 at 11:51 am to Weekend Warrior79
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f we are the #2 team in the conference, shouldn't we be comparing ourselves to the #1 team in hopes of potentially being better? Or, do you suggest that we compare ourselves to the lesser teams so losses will become acceptable?
Of course we should compare ourselves and strive to be better, that's a given. I'm saying that we shouldn't diminish the worth of our own team when we fall short to a program that's the best in college football.
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This is a subjective measuring stick, with what usually amounts to very little differences between the #1 team and the #20 team. And, it's not like LSU was that far off in those years.
2015: LSU #8 (per Rivals Bama was #2)
2014: LSU #2
2013: LSU #6
2012: LSU #18
2011: LSU #6
I'm a big recruiting fan and get your point. I actually think LSU develops talent better than Alabama, but they have more. It's a depth issue, really. They have depth across the board at every position, while LSU is paper thin at QB, DE, DT and LB. that's where their recruiting advantage really comes into play. They rotated 9 guys on the DL Saturday while LSU is playing a 230lb freshman in Arden Key against Cam Robinson, an undersized Lewis Neal and an injured Christian Lacouture. Ed O will reverse this trend, but we all knew how thin we'd be this year.
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Posted on 11/10/15 at 11:53 am to RedTigerRulz
+1 It's Cholly Mac vs Bear Bryant, version 2.0
Posted on 11/10/15 at 11:53 am to AlexLSU
Depth is the main difference maker for Bama. They simply have more five stars and four stars and process out what they feel are misses in recruiting. Not too hard to comprehend.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 11:53 am to AlexLSU
i for one will never think LSU will beat bama with saban at the helm of bama. its just not going to happen again. once he retires, we might have a shot
Posted on 11/10/15 at 11:56 am to biglego
He did try LOL! And scheming helps. But limitations at QB compromise things. Cam has his work cut out for him. QB development has been a big issue for this program, outside of Mett. BH still has time and he has improved. And if he can't develop a short passing game then Franks or someone else is going to have to get it done.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 11:56 am to AlexLSU
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LSU fans are unrealistic and unwilling to accept that we probably should lose when you play one of the GOAT coaches with GOAT talent every year
What a shitty outlook. "Hey, we're not as good as the best and that fine. We're not even going to try to get better. We accept being relatively mediocre."
Posted on 11/10/15 at 11:58 am to AlexLSU
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Is it possible that Alabama focuses more and plays its best against LSU every year?
We should do that too. Man, look how focused and prepare we were Saturday.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 12:05 pm to poochie
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What a shitty outlook. "Hey, we're not as good as the best and that fine. We're not even going to try to get better. We accept being relatively mediocre."
Do you predict LSU to go 12-0 before every season? If not, how dare you think LSU may lose to certain teams! Some of you dolts must think that a fan's perspective has some sort of bearing on whether or not LSU will actually win the game.
And you saying "we aren't trying to be better and will accept relative mediocrity" is idiotic hyperbole. You know what relatively mediocre means in this case, right? Since we are talking about Alabama, they are the measuring stick for our "relative" mediocrity. If we are mediocre relative to them, then every other team is as well. LSU is 7-1 and can very well finish 10-1. Is 10-1 really as bad as you're making it seem when our loss is to a top 4 team? Get a clue
Posted on 11/10/15 at 12:06 pm to AlexLSU
Alabama is pretty spectacular, and they never look as good as when they are playing LSU. Hopefully we will get them next year...
Posted on 11/10/15 at 12:08 pm to AlexLSU
So we shouldn't have won in 2012 and 2014? How did we win in 2011, without the excuse of their Kicker sucked?
Posted on 11/10/15 at 12:09 pm to Weaver
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How did we win in 2011,
Dare I say it? Jordan Jefferson and the option.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 12:09 pm to NorthEndZone
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I can go on and on...
And I could much more easily turn to the handful of proud and historic programs across the country who, in a desire to go from good/very good to great dumped coaches only to tank...many of whom have still not sniffed their former positions while wallowing in coaching change after coaching change.
Truth is, despite our best intentions or wishes, that changing coaches comes with it a ton of risk. There are almost NO sure things...why can't we all come to grips with this?
Could we go from nick Saban, who resurrected our program, to Les Miles who kept it there and arguably made it greater and has presided over the longest sustained run of success in our history...to yet ANOTHER home run hire that would put us in BAMA's place at #1 in the nation?
I mean...yeah, I guess it's possible...but damn, that flies int he face of historical trends when it comes to coaching changes.
shite...not even the program we're all lusting at in the moment has been able to hire well all the time. They went from winning a title with Gene Stallings to the fricking wasteland for a decade with Mike Dubose, Dennis Francionne, Mike Price (bwahahaha), Mike Shula, and then finally Nick.
With all their tradition, and money, and media love, and winning culture, etc...they went a decade in the wilderness... What makes LSU immune this this very real risk?
It it was as easy as simply tapping the sure thing, BAMA would have done it.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 12:12 pm to Weaver
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So we shouldn't have won in 2012 and 2014? How did we win in 2011, without the excuse of their Kicker sucked?
We absolutely should have won those two games. Miles out schemed Saban in both games. Unfortunately, we made mental errors and fricked up. You simply can't do that against a team as good as Alabama.
We won in 2011 first and foremost because we had an elite defense and special teams unit. Bama also made more critical mistakes like the WR pass picked off by Reid and Saban putting Maze back to return a punt while injured (punt rolled for a 70+ yard net).
Posted on 11/10/15 at 12:15 pm to AlexLSU
so then it isn't out of the realm of possibility that fans shouldn't expect to beat bama, am I right? Up until the bcs nc bama fans were concerned about saban. Since then Saban has kicked our asses.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 12:21 pm to Weaver
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so then it isn't out of the realm of possibility that fans shouldn't expect to beat bama, am I right? Up until the bcs nc bama fans were concerned about saban. Since then Saban has kicked our asses
Expect is a strong word that I wouldn't necessarily agree with. I'm not sure that any team should ever "expect" to beat an equal or stronger opponent as that's just not logical. The margin for error in big games is razor thin, so expecting a win is unrealistic IMO. You can expect to beat a lesser opponent for obvious reasons. You can expect LSU to compete and do everything it can to win though, which is why our loss last weekend is frustrating. We didn't do a whole hell of a lot out there from an adjustments standpoint, so that's annoying.
I did think LSU was going to win Saturday, so I'm obviously disappointed in the outcome. However, I'm not going to lose perspective and be all doom and gloom because of a loss to a really good team.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 12:23 pm to Weaver
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so then it isn't out of the realm of possibility that fans shouldn't expect to beat bama, am I right?
Maybe it's semantics, but I'll question the use of "expect to."
I want to. I feel players and coach do everything in their power to try and do just that each year.
But I don't really EXPECT to beat BAMA. I think that carries with it the weight of calling your shot...guaranteeing an outcome in a sporting event. That's when you end up having fans who act as if their world ended when the team loses a game...because they expected to win, and that didn't happen...so someone must be blamed!!
FWIW, it does no one fan bases any good to expect wins either. Literally the only fan base currently that gets any joy out of this game are, and I fricking hate to say this...BAMA fans. Everyone else calls their shot and goes to bed unhappy a few times a season...left unfulfilled.
Expecting greatness doesn't ensure greatness...but it sure does guarantee a bunch of butt hurt among fans. Striving for greatness is where it's at.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 12:25 pm to AlexLSU
I thought it was going to be a negative read but it's pretty good perspective.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 12:32 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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Striving for greatness is where it's at.
I'm for that! When does it begin?
Posted on 11/10/15 at 12:39 pm to RedTigerRulz
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I'm for that! When does it begin?
This is why we can't have nice things...
We've been great...we have. We haven't been THE GREATEST. That doesn't make us not great...
Honestly...I have no idea how this mindset allows anyone to ever enjoy sports as a fan. If winning 100% of the time is the only way to be happy, you're ensuring yourself of unhappiness I think. I allow for the occasional, though unfortunate loss...seems a better way to live and enjoy the process of all this.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 12:41 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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This is why we can't have nice things..
I'd be happy if we could beat Bama one out of three years!!
Is that asking too much?
This post was edited on 11/10/15 at 12:41 pm
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