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re: Can We Be Honest Regarding LSU & Alabama?
Posted on 11/10/15 at 10:45 am to AlexLSU
Posted on 11/10/15 at 10:45 am to AlexLSU
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Bama is better than everyone, not just LSU
LSU fans are unrealistic and unwilling to accept that we probably should lose when you play one of the GOAT coaches with GOAT talent every year
Every team has flaws and shortcomings, so don't maximize our own while marginalizing others' flaws
Here's the problem: we can beat Alabama.
2012 and 2014, we were better.
This year? We could have won. We had the firepower. We just don't know how to use it.
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Posted on 11/10/15 at 10:46 am to Salmon
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people that use absolutes like this are generally idiots FWIW
I'm more than willing to be proven wrong. I predicted a loss in the prediction thread before the game and I saw nothing from this game that would lead me to believe we are any closer to defeating Satan and his army of devoted minions than we were back on 1/9.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 10:46 am to Night Train
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Les cannot hold Saban's jock when it comes to coaching and its not even close. Different year same shite.
Les has absolutely outcoached Saban in the past. Our team was outmanned in this game, and nobody wants to admit it. The coaches could've tried other things, but it wouldn't have worked. Not without blocking.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 10:48 am to GeauxTigerTM
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It's our shitty luck that we are in what can only be described as our greatest run ever when our greatest rival is on a nationally historic run.
So what? We fold the tent and sit around wringing our hands saying poor, pitiful us?
We don't pull out all the stops and adapt so that we can find a way to win?
Posted on 11/10/15 at 10:50 am to RedTigerRulz
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I'm more than willing to be proven wrong.
of course you are and that makes you the worst type of fan
you always predict doom and gloom and love to say "I told you so" when you are right
but when you are wrong you get to cheer right next to me and you just conveniently forget that you were just saying that the team would never do this or never do that
Posted on 11/10/15 at 10:50 am to Night Train
quote:The difference is that Saban is a defensive mastermind, and he influences their defense in a positive way. Les influences our offense, but I don't think anyone has ever confused him with an offensive mastermind. Truth.
Les cannot hold Saban's jock when it comes to coaching and its not even close.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 10:51 am to AlexLSU
Bama is beatable; but you can't have a dummy coaching the team across from them.
Special teams: Milesveto says you will see an improvement. Had two weeks to do it.....didn't see it. It was just lip service.
Even when he says it's fixed, it ain't.
Offense: Gets savagely handled upfront. Scheme? Recruiting? Who cares. The coach is responsible for both. He's been here for ten years to get the guys he wants for his scheme. But that scheme though........you can't change it mid year huh?
Defense: Refer to offense. Keep defense off field with good offense and you won't have 9:18 minute drives with hands on hips, gasping.
By losing this game we are 1.5 games behind every year. Learn how to beat Bama and try to get lucky against the lesser teams that you are not schemed for......chances are Bama will be the team you need a tiebreaker against.
Then you won't hear some pathetic dudes saying," well, we can hope msu or auburn can take care of what we couldn't......hopefully their coaches can adapt to a fluid game situation"
Al of this can be done and still have a likable humanitarian (which important to a lot of you) that is STILL FEARED BY HIS PLAYERS AND COACHES.
While miles' players look for a way to reward him for being cool to them;sabans coaches are scared to let him down. His players are too.
It works.
Special teams: Milesveto says you will see an improvement. Had two weeks to do it.....didn't see it. It was just lip service.
Even when he says it's fixed, it ain't.
Offense: Gets savagely handled upfront. Scheme? Recruiting? Who cares. The coach is responsible for both. He's been here for ten years to get the guys he wants for his scheme. But that scheme though........you can't change it mid year huh?
Defense: Refer to offense. Keep defense off field with good offense and you won't have 9:18 minute drives with hands on hips, gasping.
By losing this game we are 1.5 games behind every year. Learn how to beat Bama and try to get lucky against the lesser teams that you are not schemed for......chances are Bama will be the team you need a tiebreaker against.
Then you won't hear some pathetic dudes saying," well, we can hope msu or auburn can take care of what we couldn't......hopefully their coaches can adapt to a fluid game situation"
Al of this can be done and still have a likable humanitarian (which important to a lot of you) that is STILL FEARED BY HIS PLAYERS AND COACHES.
While miles' players look for a way to reward him for being cool to them;sabans coaches are scared to let him down. His players are too.
It works.
This post was edited on 11/10/15 at 10:53 am
Posted on 11/10/15 at 10:52 am to dstone12
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Offense: Gets savagely handled upfront. Scheme? Recruiting? Who cares. The coach is responsible for both. He's been here for ten years to get the guys he wants for his scheme. But that scheme though........you can't change it mid year huh?
I found a new best e-friend! Posted on 11/10/15 at 10:52 am to NorthEndZone
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It's trying nearly the same strategy 5 straight times and failing each time that is frustrating everyone.
What is the difference between 4 TD passes and 3 interceptions versus 1 TD pass, 5 punts, and 1 interception?
LSU was not going to drive 75 yards in 12 to 15 plays on that defense. You have to take chances when the other team is equal or superior in talent.
Did any basketball team try to go inside against Shaq and Stanley Roberts even if it was their strength? No, they shot threes or tried to fast break.
Why can't a very good coaching staff see this? It is the only weakness in the staff - predictability.
Look, I get the criticisms of Les and his game plans. I can't articulate how frustrated it makes me to watch us go out there and shove a square peg into a round hole over and over again. We are who we are under Les. Is he a better coach than Nick Saban? No, he is not. Is anyone in the country a better coach other than Urban Meyer? Nope. Again, we are comparing ourselves to Alabama and deriving our own worth as a program from those comparisons. It's fricking unrealistic. It's like a Pac-10 school bitching about not being as good as USC under Carroll, or someone in the Big10 now complaining that they can't be as good as Ohio State under Meyer. Sometimes there's a coach and team that are just better.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 10:54 am to Night Train
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We will never beat Bama or win the West again as long as Saban is Bama's coach and LES is ours. Les must have some good stuff because Saban loves pounding that arse every year!!!
We will always be a 10 win team and have tons of talent with Les, and that is great and most programs would love to be in our shoes!
Les cannot hold Saban's jock when it comes to coaching and its not even close. Different year same shite.
Saban probably is very thankful LES is our coach because he knows with our talent we could be scary!!
It's not that there is anything 100% wrong with all of this ranting, it's that it lacks historical perspective I think.
Again...while it certainly sucks all sorts of arse...Alabama Football is on a run in college football that is literally unprecedented. It's beginning to be up there with Wooden's success at UCLA in the 60's and 70's.
Given that...were fan bases calling for the heads of coaches that were doing incredibly well in their own right but unable to unseat the King? This perspective lacks all sorts of humility I think.
I fricking hate to say it, and saying it in no way means I'm conceding defeats...but hose fricks in Tuscaloosa have been BETTER than we have been. They've been better than everyone! Hell...I'd be perfectly willing to say that LSU's decade long run under Miles places them second to BAMA...but it certainly is somewhere in the Top 5 in all of CF.
See the problem though, right? "If you ain't first, you're last!" fine...but can we at least give credit where credit's due and admit BAMA's been historically good and it's tarnished our own historically good run?
Posted on 11/10/15 at 10:55 am to SabiDojo
Also, any offense will suck when it's special teams keeps it starting on the 12 yard line.
Meanwhile bamas confidence and playbook open up when milesveto starts them at the 35.
So no, I don't believe him when he says that the team has a want to improve special teams play. It's a year long process.....not something you can t change in two weeks. So dn t feed me that bullshite.
Guys: coaching is th hardest answer to swallow. But get used to Hearing it. Tough shite.
Meanwhile bamas confidence and playbook open up when milesveto starts them at the 35.
So no, I don't believe him when he says that the team has a want to improve special teams play. It's a year long process.....not something you can t change in two weeks. So dn t feed me that bullshite.
Guys: coaching is th hardest answer to swallow. But get used to Hearing it. Tough shite.
This post was edited on 11/10/15 at 11:00 am
Posted on 11/10/15 at 10:55 am to AlexLSU
quote:Well, you find innovative ways to break that trend. You don't just continue doing the same shite and expecting different results.
Sometimes there's a coach and team that are just better.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 10:58 am to sjmabry
It is unfair to bash Les/LSU for being inferior to Saban/Bama when Urban Meyer is the only coach who can compare.
Still, LSU has the resources and recruiting to challenge Bama. Other teams have beaten Bama and they featured dynamic offenses. It's about a stale offense that never works against Bama. Les can either adapt a new offensive approach or be content with not winning the west.
Still, LSU has the resources and recruiting to challenge Bama. Other teams have beaten Bama and they featured dynamic offenses. It's about a stale offense that never works against Bama. Les can either adapt a new offensive approach or be content with not winning the west.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 11:00 am to Salmon
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you always predict doom and gloom
LINK??
Thats what I thought. I have not predicted a loss ALL year until this game. You wanna know why? Because Miles has not shown the mental capacity to figure out how to beat these guys in a long, long time. Saban is, and will continue to be, one step ahead of Miles.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 11:00 am to reauxl tigers7
Yes sir. We can win with CLM's philosophy. But we need 1) recruit at the highest levels, especially on the lines and 2) must have BH or any other other QB for that matter to be counted on to be consistent with short passing game.
Want slants, bubble screens etc. ? We need a QB to have touch on his passes. Its up to Cam to coach BH up and up to Brandon to execute!!!
Want slants, bubble screens etc. ? We need a QB to have touch on his passes. Its up to Cam to coach BH up and up to Brandon to execute!!!
Posted on 11/10/15 at 11:01 am to LSU_Saints_Hornets
quote:And look where that has gotten them.
Not named Ole Miss.
quote:Ah, the coach haters' new phrase.
We have lost 5 in a row.
quote:Another one.
1. Game plan
What was the better plan? Posted on 11/10/15 at 11:01 am to biglego
quote:Indeed. If he wants to run power against the other 11 opponents, that's fine. But against bama, you better have a tailored game plan just for them.
It's about a stale offense that never works against Bama. Les can either adapt a new offensive approach or be content with not winning the west.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 11:02 am to AlexLSU
whatever to make yourself feel better bro, i feel your pain, we are Bama's play toy, they have lost many games to teams LSU could handle yet they continue to show utter dominance against us. 
Posted on 11/10/15 at 11:04 am to dstone12
What kills me is people saying that next year will be better.
Alabama had lost like 90% of their offense when this season started. Yes, their defense was going to be nasty, but it hardly isn't.
This was really our chance to go for a title. I don't know if our chances next year will be any better.
Alabama had lost like 90% of their offense when this season started. Yes, their defense was going to be nasty, but it hardly isn't.
This was really our chance to go for a title. I don't know if our chances next year will be any better.
Posted on 11/10/15 at 11:04 am to sjmabry
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Indeed. If he wants to run power against the other 11 opponents, that's fine. But against bama, you better have a tailored game plan just for them.
Correct.
Clemson gameplans for Georgia techs gimmick offense in the middle of the season.
On the flip side: Saban prays that Miles will flex his manhood so he can easily take it away again.
This post was edited on 11/10/15 at 11:05 am
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